John Galliano Suspended!
So by now you have all heard the news.
Dior has suspended John Galliano while they investigate the alleged anti-Semitic remarks that landed the designer in jail last night.
So, I understand and agree with the Dior zero-tolerence policy regarding race and religion, but isn't suspending someone based solely on allegation a little hasty? I thought that, even in Paris, you're considered innocent till proven guilty.
I always say that sports are so much more evolved in this type of situation than the fashion industry. In sports, when an athlete is accused of something, his teammates and manager usually support the player until the accusations are more deeply investigated.
Basically, Dior just threw their star designer under the bus based on the word of strangers with no "reported" third party eyewitness account of the actual events. That ,to me, is the real issue at this stage of the game.
Do you think Dior did the right thing?
I bet the fashion conspiracy theorists are going nuts with potential schemes and dreams about what is really happening behind the scenes of this drama.
Dior has suspended John Galliano while they investigate the alleged anti-Semitic remarks that landed the designer in jail last night.
So, I understand and agree with the Dior zero-tolerence policy regarding race and religion, but isn't suspending someone based solely on allegation a little hasty? I thought that, even in Paris, you're considered innocent till proven guilty.
I always say that sports are so much more evolved in this type of situation than the fashion industry. In sports, when an athlete is accused of something, his teammates and manager usually support the player until the accusations are more deeply investigated.
Basically, Dior just threw their star designer under the bus based on the word of strangers with no "reported" third party eyewitness account of the actual events. That ,to me, is the real issue at this stage of the game.
Do you think Dior did the right thing?
I bet the fashion conspiracy theorists are going nuts with potential schemes and dreams about what is really happening behind the scenes of this drama.
Comments on "John Galliano Suspended!"
it came as a chock to me
i don't think they should've suspended Galliano so quickly and hastily
i hope more investistigation done for this
I'm genuinely surprised. I mean the industry is so openly sizeist, can they really act all holier-than-thou at alleged racist comments? The mentality isn't so different.
Race and religions are the last taboos.
And abruptly rejecting any discusssions about them only makes the problem worse.
We'll have to face those issues one day or another.
This hasty moral judgement is just the manifestation of our fears.
It sure isn't glorious.
If they'd fired him, I would say it was hasty and too much but they suspended him. I am assuming he will be able to resume his work if the charges prove false.
What a disgrace!
It is probably too hasty and he should be considered innocent until he is declared guilty (if he ever is). But I understand Dior's decision here. What is at stake is the image of the brand and I imagine Dior cannot afford that type of bad publicity right before PFW.
I am absolutely disguested with Dior CEO's attitude.
you don't punish a person untill he/she is proved guilty.
This may sound crass but when it comes to businesses, appearances are all the more important. Dior is likely thinking of their Semetic customers, right along with having no tolerance for anti-Semetic remarks for purely moral reasons.
I agree with Anonymous @ 4:41pm.
Still, while it should be 'innocent until proven guilty,' it mostly is 'guilty until proven innocent.'
are these comments going to be moderated for "only positive commentary as well?"
wow still a shock.
im going to have to do more research until i agree with one side, we do only know what the media has released, which we all know can sometimes be twisted.
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shocked they would so hastily suspend, however if proven too be true, regardless of how much he had to drink, there must be repercussions
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You are basing it on the information of a Reuters newswire report. Unless you are privvy to insider information that you are not sharing, there's not enough facts to judge either Galliano or Dior.
And I think athletes are the worst people to provide as an example. Particularly professional athletes. Often, people around the athlete will protect him because he is a valuable asset to the team, not because the allegations are false.
WOW that's messed up!
I totally agree with you
Dior should have help Galliano until the end. I mean come on!
You don't just suspend someone for just allegations.
If galliano is guilty then that's another story.
I don't think that Galliano at this moment makes the brand look bad.. I think Dior looks bad by not supporting Galliano until he's proved guilty.
Is he in jail just for something he said or was there some type of threat or violence involved?
I think Dior should support the notion of innocent until proved guilty. If he really did make anti-Semitic remarks he can be suspended when it is proven. This rush to prove political correctness has gotten out of hand and many people have fallen victim through no fault of their own.
I have also read a rumor that Dior wants to get rid of Galliano anyway and they are now taking advantage of the current situation - don't know if this is true though.
Either way it makes one wonder about the working environment at Dior.
He's been suspended not fired. This isn't an unusual occurrence for an employer to suspend an employee who's arrested pending the outcome of an investigation.
I was so suprised at this, such a shame as well with all the up and coming shows, lets just hope he's proven innocent
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I think you've said it all.
This may not be strike no. 1 and they've managed to keep other occurrences under wraps. I'm sure there's more going on, like you say, behind the scenes.
Wow that came out of nowhere, since when Galliano is antisemitic?
If it's true,he's done, like Mel Gibson and all the others
I am absolutely outraged with their attitude.....I would never think.....in a million years...that this could possibly happen......I feel like going back in time.......I don't feel like this is the 21st century.......Dior's attitude is unacceptable!
Galliano..might be wrong....or not....but still...this is a designer that really revived Dior....in the last years...and...to be totally candid and honest with you...if I were in Galliano's shoes....I would not go back at Dior......
I completely agree with you.
I think Dior's CEO's have absolutely no work ethic or loyalty.
They could have released a different type of statement about the situation. They didn't have to suspend him.
I think they wouldn't act so quick if they don't know what they are doing. There must be some truth to it. Galliano is HUGE...and you don't just throw a person as BIG & as Respectable as that ...unless you do know it is to be a very big reality. DIOR is as big if not bigger bigger than HIM yet come to think of it, they should know that Galliano can sue them with millions if wrongfully accused of something that kicked him out of his gig.JUST SAYIN'
HE IS A GENIUS>>>BUT HE IS NOT A SAINT...Vice Versa with the whole Dior empire.The need each other so let's see.
Hopefully in the future we will all look to professional sports because their policies are so 'evolved'. I for one loved that we had a rapist as one of the star quarterbacks in the Super Bowl this year. Almost as much as I loved many of the commentators excusing his off the field actions because he had 'redeemed' himself by his on the field play.
This kind of thing happens again and again and is just swept under the rug over time. Look at Kobe, Vick, etc etc etc.
OK, I totally agree that any kind of anti-Semitism should be condemned, but come on, Dior's stand is not fair. When it's great - we're team, but when someone "is reported to act not properly" - you're on your own? They should investigate it more thoroughly and let Galliano speak first. Honestly, I can't imagine John Galliano being anit-Semite or anti-anything actually!
Sounds to me like Dior may have been pondering letting JG go and now may have found a 'valid' reason for firing him.
If the facts prove to be in JG's favor, what does this say about Dior and their managements lack of defense of their designer ?
Very confusing and troubling and the reports of what actually happened are all over the place depending on what media source one is reading.
I am more surprised that Dior did anything, given the general anti-semitic climate in France these days. It has only decrease slightly in Paris in the past year, and if you go to Lyon, Marseille, Nice or Toulon it is very pronounced.
I am very shocked at this, I absolutely agree with you.
Sheryl
www.walkinwonderland.com
he is suspended not fired. there is no problem for me.
It's the best way to manage the image of Dior and to take some distance between the man (he spoke as a man and not as a Dior employee) and the Maison.
He is suspended and not fired.
I think Dior learned their lesson from the Guerlain case about the N-word.
Suspension is not the same thing as termination. They have every right to pause while the matter is investigated. I definitely think they did the right thing.
Wow.That's a really shocking thing..I think Galliano is one of a kind and Dior can't be Dior without that Galliano vibe.
Mr. Toledano (Sephardic Jewish) has suspended Galliano for "zero-tolerence for anti-semitic remarks".Each draw their own conclusions.
Well, I think that considering the french state of mind (I am French), it would've been worse for Dior's image not to do something about Galliano's possible anti-semitic remarks.
I think I recall my french teacher saying that in France, you actually are considered guilty until proven innocent - not sure if that is entirely relevant, or even true, but may be something to consider
In Europe, I believe the system is different: instead of being innocent until proving guilty, one is suspected as guilty until proven innocent. I watched the Amanda Knox story on Lifetime the other night, and the same type of discussion arose between my husband and I. He's a lawyer so he filled me in. Valerie
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What does this "even in Paris" could possibly mean?
Wake up and smell the roses fashion people! There is prejudice In all walks of life and the fashion industry is in no position to think it is excluded from this? The guy has reportedly compromised his company's rep so it is the right thing to suspend him until the investigation takes place.
can't believe it. so surreal. i don't know what it will be like without him. especially since he was just deemed to design kate middleton's wedding dress.
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I think the sports analogy is disgraceful in the wake of the horrendous way quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's rape charges were mishandled by fanboy cops and the NFL, which would ignore a freaking snuff film if acknowledging it meant losing a star player. I wholeheartedly agree with Dior.
This is unbelievable ....what a shock ! I love him...and Now
Im wondering whats gonna happen to dior without him :(((
Look forward to the newly jail-inspired Autum-Winter show!
Without taking side, I would like to add a significant fact to the discussion, Sart:
LVMH was strongly criticized last October for not reacting and condemning quickly enough some outrageously racist words from Jean-Paul Guerlain.
The polemic was quite huge in France and most definitely played a part in today's events.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is proven innocent but leaves Dior anyway, and it will be their own fault if they lose his genius.
Did Dior do the right thing? No. And I'm glad I'm not the only one shocked by this action, particularly when Mr Galliano has been working with them for so long.
OMG, that's nuts! I am in total shock!
I'm with @Nini & Anonymous @5:02:
"And I think athletes are the worst people to provide as an example. Particularly professional athletes. Often, people around the athlete will protect him because he is a valuable asset to the team, not because the allegations are false."
I don't think I'd look to a profession that's stood beside rapists and systemic animal abusers as something to emulate.
If they didn't suspend him or distance themselves from him in some way, people would be calling them out for it, as well.
I think in France you are considered guilty until proven innocent. However, I don't he should be suspended for one remark. He was drunk and stressed. I think we are losing our freedom of speech, the spontaneity of normal discourse in under assault. Ridiculous.
Perhaps its not so much the allegation of the remarks he made but rather that he was PUT INTO JAIL!! come on people! It doesn't matter what he did - the fact that it landed him in jail is what Dior is really concerned about. It could have been a DUI, assult, or any other charge - going to jail is bad press regardless of the reason.
I feel Dior acted far too hastily with no good reason or logic. However, it is France and it seems to be things are either too hasty or not at all....
Quelle domage.
They did the right thing. Anti-semitism is a VERY serious issue, particularly in Paris. Guilty until proven innocent, fine. But they do place people in jail until they have been put on trial or their innocence (or guilt) has been proven. Think about the policy behind that.
Also, I wouldn't compare the handling of athletes to that of fashion designers. Very different worlds.
Oh my god, what is wrong with you people? Racism is MESSED UP. This is really serious! I mean, if an American designer were suspended from his company because he said something racist toward black or latino people, wouldn't you all be up in arms? Is this just because anti-semitism isn't considered racism these days?
I am truly appalled at the lack of sensitivity in this post. Just because he is an amazing artist doesn't mean he is free of prejudice and it certainly doesn't mean that we should support him unwaveringly in his bigotry. (Alleged or no).
How do we know they acted hastily? I'm sure we are not privy to the details. Personally, I think it's great that Dior is standing up against racism, whatever might have happened between Galliano and the 'Asian' (from what I read). For brands, reputation is extremely important and I believe that Dior is protecting their image. The last thing our world needs is racist 'role models' or 'people in the public eye' to spread hatred and nasty comments.
I am not surprised. Having worked in the corporate world, of which Dior is clearly a part, for the better part of the last two decades - most businesses handle these sorts of situations in the same manner. If a major breach of policy is brought to the attention of the organization, the potential offender is usually suspended (with pay, I might add) until an internal investigation determines whether that person is guilty, per se. If not, they return to work. If guilty, appropriate disciplinary action is taken. This is usually to prevent influencing individuals in the workplace and allows for the investigation to take place without action.
Likewise, since anti-Semitic remarks are illegal in France, I understand the house wanting to exercise absolute certainty in this situation.
This is mad!
The French press reports that Galliano allegedly told the woman --in English-- that she was a "dirty Jewish face". C'mon people...does this sound like the words of an Anglophone, even a drunk one? Isn't it slightly suspect that this is the literal translation of the French slur "une sale tête juive"? There are also reports in the French press from other witnesses maintaining that no racial or religious slurs were uttered. I already posted this in the NY Times, but I have no particular affinity for Galliano, however, as a simple citizen I feel that something is not right here. Shouldn't one be considered innocent until proven guilty?
Dior should have supported their employee and waited until if and when Galliano was proven guilty of the alleged slurs before they suspended him. I am suspicious of how quickly this happened (not to mention the semantics of the alleged slur.) I suspect that it'll come to light that Toledano wanted to get rid of Galliano and this was an expedient way to do it... Most likely so as not to have to pay Galliano the astronomical golden parachute he's legally entitled to by French law. I also suspect that the couple who registered the complaint will probably "settle out of court" (for a tidy sum...and a couple of shiny new handbags.)
Last thing: @ anonymous who mentions that Toledano is a Sephardic Jew: so is Galliano's lawyer. Let's not throw gasoline on the fire.
--haapi
Fashion people should stick to what they do best...make clothes. Leave the political posturing to, gee, let's see, almost anyone else.
Obviously the couple Mr. G insulted was not clever enough to return the favor. "He called me a bad word" is hardly amusing. Please grow up.
Perhaps Dior suspended him because they know things we don't - they might be aware that this behavior, if true, has been expressed from him before.
I can’t say I 100% agree with your analogy. Ben Roethlisberger of the Pittsburgh Steelers was suspended for the first 6 games this past season for a rape he wasn’t convicted of. Although I would bet Ben did rape that girl, it was never proven, yet he was suspended on the grounds that his conduct reflected negatively on the NFL. So perhaps the NFL isn't as far along as we’d like them to be either.
I think it's too much. Indeed if proof that he is guilty Dior should do something but it isn't yet. So calm down people, a litle more trust don't hurt.
I think Dior just doesn't want to be associated with any anti-Semetic remarks, regardless of whether it was true or not.
In my opinion Dior has over reacted
Well, yes, aren't people usually suspending while investigation is going on? At least, I don't think that's uncommon in the Northern part of Europe. (I'm from Norway.)
So now they can hire Hedi Slimane back. Right?
I read in the paper that he was violent and insulted people and there are witnesses. He was even released from jail much faster than any normal person would have been in this situation. He is very talented but it does not justify defending him like that. I am sure that Dior management made this decision based on the facts.
seems a little soon to comment either way--not enough info.
In fashion I guess the difference is that it directly affects the brand, while at sports it is mainly at first hand just the sportsperson.
By this, I am not saying that Dior did the right human thing, but they try to keep their brand with the politically correct reputation.
I don't know, maybe from the point of view of LVMH, it's too dangerous to keep on a designer who invites any sort of race/alcohol related controversy. If they hadn't acted so quickly, the press around Galliano's actions might have been detrimental to their large accounts. It's the luxury business after all, not a sports team. They can't in good conscious have it degenerate in to a media fanfare, so I am somewhat inclined to agree with their quick removal of Galliano.
He'll be back, he's too much of a star not to return to the company. Everyone just needs a bit of time to calm down, have Paris Fashion Week pass without incident forget that this ever happened, if it is an innocent misunderstanding.
People get suspended all the time for allegations or at the very least put on paid leave. He wasn't fired over allegations, he was suspended. This is a common practice for most large companies. So I'm more surprised that you're surprised frankly. You just can't mess around with this stuff from either a legal or PR perspective. My god, the PR nightmare for Dior! My $0.02 is that they did the right thing to act swiftly. In the same breath we hear the allegations we hear the suspension. Kudos to them for that.
I don't see any problem with suspending an employee during an investigation—doesn't that often happen? It's very unfortunate timing though.
I believe him going to jail was over the drunkeness/alleged racial slurs/physical contact in a public place, and was a decision made by the police.
Being stressed and/or drunk does not excuse any racial remarks slipping out—I agree with Dior's zero tolerance policy. However, sometimes people are eager to see political incorrectness where there really isn't any. Hard to say without knowing what was said. Still, I think Dior's response is called for.
I hope they investigate it quickly!
To Marisa Alma (5:39): europeans don't live in trees anymore, and in France, as in all UE countries, when you go to trial you are innocent until proven guilty by the ministère de la Republique, and no defendant is ever judged without being advised by a lawyer.
First of all, something probably questionable had to be said in order for it to get misconstrued, if the investigation finds that is the case. And if he did say something anti-Semitic, shame on Galliano. Fashion should know no religion, and it seems as well traveled and cosmopolitan as he is, that should never have been a problem. I'm disappointed either way.
In any case, it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds..
I am with Julnyes and others who reiterate that suspension is not termination. In fact, suspension of anyone who has been put in jail is appropriate, while the investigation is pursued. Dior could make supportive comments like American sports teams might, but suspension is the appropriate move there too.
Also, it is important to consider the implications of Dior being a French company with high international presence. If they had simply ignored it, then we would be hearing about echos of Vichy. Being French means they have to take it more seriously than an American sports team that only Americans care about anyway.
I think Dior is very concerned with its public image.
I don't disagree with the way they handled it. I think most people assume that racism is not as prevalent anymore but in fact racism still exist very widely. Because it's more harshly criticized, people do not dare to express racism as openly. But that doesn't mean most people aren't racist.
So, suspension is warranted.
I think that there are more to consider than if you are guilty till proven or not in this case. Also, for you, the sartorialist, as an american you have to realize how america and Europe are very different in regards to our history with anti-semitism and racism. I think with the current neo-nationalism we are seeing all over europe it makes sense to want to disinguis you from anything related to that. He might be a brilliant designer, but noone is irreplaceble, and the companys image is more important.
Also, I dont think its the place as the sartorialist as a blog to be political in this way. It makes me wonder if you agree with gallianos said quotes?
They are throwing him under the busa bit, but it's not very comparable to the world of sports. In those cases, you're talking about a sports team, not a major corporation like the one Galliano works for.
No one really knows the situation at the moment, and it could be that Galliano is guilty of these charges. However, if he isn't, he should definitely be thinking of leaving Dior. How horrible is that?! They don't know what happened; they weren't witness to it. How can they offer such little support? Simply to distance themselves from a potential scandal and save their image. Well it doesn't bode well for their image, fans of the House knowing how clinical Dior is.
In this type of situation Dior has made the correct decision. From the brand's perspective what if the accusations got loose and people were probing for further investigation. Would it dilute the brand? Would customers lose trust in them? Wouldn't we be having the same conversation but in an opposite context. Business wise "suspension" was a good way to go about this, in a month this will all blow over and Galliano will be back to designing his next great Spring 2012 line.
I think they did the wrong thing in suspending him. I also think it's wrong he was tossed into jail based on someones accusations, it's not as if he's a danger to the public or destroying or stealing personal property. At worst he's an idiot who exercised some free speech and those around him know who he is. I don't really consider that a crime.
I've heard conflicting reports -- that he was angered by the people beside him and he cursed them, including making racial slurs -- and that they provoked him and no slurs were made. Who knows. Also, Galliano is under contract. I am sure that the contract provides, in the finest print possible, that if Galliano does something or are alledged to have done something that in the Company's determination may detract or have the potential to detract from the company, there will be consequences, including suspension and/or termination. So, I am not surprised by Dior's actions. I am sure Dior calculated the risks of supporting Galliano on one hand and suspending him on the other -- and it determined that the it would suffer less in the public eye by suspending him.
In France, I believe you are guilty until proven innocent. Not every country runs their law enforcement system like the United States.
French newspaper Le Figaro had access to the police report and according to the article, the insults were indeed inacceptable and there were many witnesses that testified, so there is a high probability that all this happened.
I agree with a previous commenter who is French like me. Had Dior done nothing about this, it would have been even worse. And that comes from someone who thinks Galliano is a genious and made me love fashion.
I think DIOR did the right thing.
And most of the comments here are so disturbing.
This is serious.
the news said he had a high level of alcohol in his body at the time of his arrest - so basically he was drunk out of his mind and god knows what people say when they're drunk, is it impossible to be human anymore??? our premier in canada was caught drunk driving and he's still the damn premier! save galliano!
I don't consider suspension to be a negative or positive judgment. If I had a colleague accused of such a thing I would not want to be distracted by the issue on a day to day basis by having them at work. For me it would seem much easier to have the professional space created while others get a clearer picture of what happened. Better for the person under investigation too so they don't do something on work time to complicate matters.
Dior doesn't seem to appreciate drunken designers calling people Asians.I totally agree. Even if he didn't say anything anti-Semitic.
Its a symbolic act and good for Diors' image to distance itself from such drunken behavior.
Well, suspension is quite different from being fired, the consequence is a lot less harsh for sure. Now if he was fired without being proven guilty, then yes, I agree with you that the punishment is a bit heavy handed. That said, given that Dior is a well known and respected brand, I can see why they had to take action in making sure people don't get the wrong idea in thinking they are tolerant of racism.
Nevertheless, besides finding out whether or not Galliano is truly guilty of saying such remarks, I think it's also important to point out that as a respected fashion designer and representative of Dior, Galliano should know better to act accordingly within and outside the work place. According to the reports, the strangers insulted Galliano for his looks and in retort Galliano supposedly said those anti-semitic slurs. If that was the case, wouldn't it be better off if he just let it go especially if it was just about his looks?
Patricia Ann
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I agree with you: I think that Dior can take a hard stance with their zero-tolerance policy while still showing some loyalty to someone who has been designing for them for so long. While they have very strong ties to France, they have an international audience that must be considered as well. If Galliano is going to get in trouble for what he has said, I think the people in a position of influence over him, must be 10 times more careful regarding any statements that get released.
Regarding the sports analogy, the first thing that came to my mind was the scandals involving the athletes at my own college--the school completely failed to back up its own students at all in a past scandal and I think that it backfired and, in hindsight, reflected poorly on the university.
There is far too much speculation and too little knowledge of what actually happened to justify such definitive actions - I've mostly been reading that he was not arrested and only went with the police to file an official statement. Dior management should realize that they are under a microscope and act accordingly.
As much I admire Galliano, i do reckon racist comments, antisemitics or homophobia by anyone cannot be tolerated whatsoever!
actually, I also admire Dior CEO firmness for taking a stand on such delicate matter so quickly.
I am with you Scott, also all the way behind John.
In sports, suspension is agreed upon before the 'game' starts.
Dior's reaction: disproportionate, haste, absurd and harmful comes as a slap in the hand to the couturier that injected new blood to the House.
If Galliano is a gentleman, he will right this wrong and maybe reconsider working for LVMH which is NOT but only OWNS Dior.
Shameful behaivour of the money handlers...as always.
Talent will prevail, and Galliano will be Galliano at any measure.
I don't know of the details per se but it seems as if they are jumping the gun on this one.
What John Galliano is suspended!
What a pity.
Btw, I totally agree with you.
Tricky situation indeed. I do think that people are innocent until proven guilty but the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. If Galliano did not make anti-Semitic statements, perhaps he was in the company of people who did. And what does that say about a person's character? There is a saying in Spanish: "Dime con quien andas y te dire quien eres." Tell me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are.
It is possible that this is not the first incident of Galliano being anti-semitic, but instead the first incident that has reached the media. Perhaps there is a history of Galliano being anti-semitic and perhaps Dior has known of it for some time. Perhaps he has established a pattern of anti-semitism and has been warned by Dior.
I agree, innocent until proven guilty, but if Dior is aware of something we're not, he may be on suspension for very good reason.
Anti-semitism is no joke, especially in Europe.
Sart, you don't know all the facts, so don't jump to conclusions.
I read there was a witness, one of the waiters of the cafe, and that in his account of the facts he didn't actually say anything about an anti-semitic remark... just about a random fight and things getting worse...
The decision Dior took was very hasty I think, they should've listened to his side of the story before acting so harshly and creating all this buzz around it, especially when their collection will be presented next Friday..
what did he say and to whom??
tbh, as regards to what JG did or didn't say, that's all a bit vague to say the least!! thank you anonymous, above for your report & translation of what's written in the french press, having said that the facts seem to be, that allegations have been made against JG, & while no charges have been brought, french police are looking into it, now given the fact that france's history & experience of nazi'sm during ww2, i can quite understand their sensitivity in these matters, should JG have been suspended?? imo, yes pending investigation, as the public face of dior, a french company, if they hadn't done so, it could be interpreted as condoning anti-Semitism, i'm sure such a huge company, wouldn't have taken such an action, without it being allowed for contractually
he verbally assaulted a couple with anti semitic remarks he was drunk at a bar........
All publicity is good publicity--Dior is getting more through a suspension than they would otherwise.
Feel free to call me cynical!
Actually, in France there is no presumption of innocence, it's an accusatory system where defendants must prove their innocence. But that doesn't mean Dior should have jumped at a suspension. Then again, given the state of pluralism in Europe these days it's probably a responsible denunciation of intolerance. Even if in the end the intolerance proves to be merely perceived.
"fashion conspiracy theorists"???
There really is such a thing?
a blog called 'sleek' posted earlier that some of their party were at La Perle and witnessed the entire episode, and that it was not nearly as dramatic as reported even by the venerable T Magazine blog.
Essentially, a couple was rude to him, he was rude in return, and then the man made a threatening gesture at Galliano, to which he made the inappropriate slur, about the man being 'Asian', not Jewish, and then the police were called due to the altercation.
The couple made noises about pressing charges, but the witness account said that Galliano agreed to accompany police to the station to make a statement, but was not "arrested" per se.
So it would seem to me that Dior jumped the gun in a gigantic way. But perhaps they were looking for an out, an excuse to bring in fresh talent?
Sports more evolved? Ha! Professional sports is a business. Terrible conduct is often tolerated because so much money is at stake. Offenders are punished if the press gets too bad, or if there might be financial ramifications to the franchise. I think the same is true in Galliano's case. Fashion is in a spotlight this week.
I just watched the spring/summer 2011 show, hands down the best show of the season. C'mon Dior, innocent until proven guilty.
Two words - Julian Assange.
Also there's usually no smoke without fire and so maybe they aren't defending him for that reason? Time will tell if this is justified or not. Let's just hope he's not got Mel Gibson on his sim card eh?
Dior probably wanted to protect their own interest and avoid media attention for allowing Galliano to work while he is still under investigation. I hope he will be fine and return to Dior soon.
They're not saying he's guilty, they're simply waiting to find out. I think it was definitely the right move, Dior would not want to associate themselves with someone who makes those types of remarks...BUT they also wouldn't want to associate themselves with someone who gets arrested and causes a scene. Read Dior's autobiography, guilty or innocent he's turning in his grave.
He is only suspended. Also, seeing as there is a lot of history in Paris from World War 2 with the Nazi's I understand why they did this.
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The sports industry is hardly the place to look for moral guidance.
Dior did the right thing; they can reinstate him if the facts warrant, or take permanent action if necessary.
No matter if he's guilty or not, a person must always be suspended if there is an ongoing investigation. Doesn't matter what business it's regarding.
Also? Making anti-Semitic remarks is illegal in France and punishable with up to six months in jail. So it's not just a social faux pas that's at issue.
Shame on the house of Dior for not supporting and standing up for someone who has brought them so much success in recent years. It's hard to imagine a good working relationship after this and I'm sure John Galliano doesn't need Dior to be successful
well, he's arrested and that alone may be in his contract as grounds for suspension or something like that (as his behaviour may be seen as having tarnished the reputation of the company) I also doubt he would be thrown in jail without any evidence or witnesses (where there is smoke - there's fire).
having said that, I think it is ludicrous from an industry that is consistently aggressively sizeist (I have stopped counting horrific insults to models and women that come out of Lagerfeld's mouth, and he is "respected" and "revered" in that same industry, and nobody sees anything wrong with that) to object so strongly to racist comments (as it too is just another form of discrimination).
whatever it is, I think it's got more to do with customers and potential profits than any genuine concern...
pretty sad affair, for sure
I think it's normal policy for any employer to suspend an employee pending investigation. Being a high profile person doesn't change that...and it is important to show a strong response to racism of any form. Scott, whether it happened or not is one thing, but not having a third party there doesn't mean it didn't happen. Saying something like that is alluding that the person's claim wasn't credible because no one else saw/heard it! We live in a colonized country, and a racist world. That's a fact that none of us can hide from or deny (no matter how much we try).
Just as racialized people have to deal with the reality of racism...so do white people have to deal with the privileges that come from just being white. Would you have the same thoughts. If the case was reversed, and Galiano was accusing someone of something similar (with no third party present), would you feel the same way?
John Galliano is too big of a name to be associated with anti-Semitism. Association at all is probably bad for the brand image. I can understand.
Without Galliano, Dior is nothing!
Sooooo, how are they going to prove that he's guilty or innocent? He said/ he said? If the comments are indeed alleged, then it's crazy to have suspended him until the facts are made known. And it's beyond ridiculous to have jailed (!) him. Guilty until proven innocent in France, eh? Well, isn't that a mess waiting to happen. I bet the French citizens looove paying taxes to house all these 'guilties'. haha You could get some great revenge on someone by alleging the most asinine of (untrue) things.
I think Dior sent a pretty clear message to Galliano with their response to these allegations. G should walk. Dior, haste makes waste, don't ya know?
in France it is guilty until proven innocent...
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed it out yet, but I am quite sure that French law requires the accused to prove their innocence. (unlike the US system). Ie. In France he IS guilty until proven innocent.
This occurred in a public cafe, yes? Perhaps there are a number of witnesses who reported Galliano's behavior to the police once they arrived; since Galliano is essentially the face of Dior, I think they were smart to make this call.
And I agree that the sports world is a poor analogy for this situation; more often than not, players are protected rather than punished by their employers whenever the commit a crime. I'm from a town close to where Ben Roethlisberger committed that rape last March; he should be in jail and instead he went to the super bowl. That's solely because he is an athlete.
Well, we don't really know if Dior rush to a conclusion. Their decision could have been based on more than the reported incident and may follow other discussions they might have had with Galliano. I don't know, but this is as valid an assumption/possibility. Let's see what else comes about.
*_* wow, this is very random and shocking.
these comments here are very amusing. everybody is in shock like something serious life changing to the whole planet has happened.
and of course americans with their innocent until proven guilty.
LMAO.
Yes, Dior is doing the right thing.
BTW, you suspend someone based on allegations. You fire them, or reinstate them, based on evidence. It's the same in sports.
Galliano is not accused only of anti-semitic remarks. He is also accused of being very drunk and of exchanging blows.
I'm pretty sure people don't just suddenly develop this kind of behavior, and I'm certain the fashion industry tolerates all kinds of nuttiness and arrogance.
Totally agree w/ Dior's decision. They didn't fire him, they merely suspended him until further investigation. The fact that he was jailed is quite telling, something happened. To suggest that Dior took the word of strangers over their own employees is rather assumptive too wouldn't you say? Longstory short, you don't reward bad behaviour period -he was jailed wasn't he?
pretty funny
they should've waited it out and supported him. HE IS john galliano after all and they have no proof...
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love you sartorialist but he has a reputation and with "hate" language if he is innocent I am sure he understands that in this regard you are guilty until proven innocent. There is no room for hate comments even when you are drunk. Would you condone it if it had been anti-gay?
If true--just because he is a big star he should get a pass? really? think I might be back to my loathing fashion after the sartorialist turned me back on to it!
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Good for Dior! Too many times people in positions of power get away with behaviour that would get them drummed out of society. There's too much hand-waving away of the racism and sexism that pervades the fashion industry.
His position comes with responsibility! As the face of a huge company he should be able to handle the situation IF in fact he was not a perpetrator but a victim...
Thank you Emma Gordon--hello--part of his job not to get in to these situations!!
REALLY! because he is a star it is OK?!
I don't Scott rigged this post to only display comments of those who subscribe to his opinion, so many criticized his suggestion to perhaps take a cue from the sportsindustry, true solidarity is commendable but we can't just gloss over things like rape. On the same vein, Galliano's action raises the issue of freedom of speech, and puts into question the fairness of Dior's corporate policy but I think the weightier matter here is the racism revealed.
I am so..... Heartbroken... Sorry for the drama but the sartorialist made me rethink my ideas of fashion being shallow and arrogant and for years I have been viewing your blog daily. You should know that with success comes responsibility and even if provoked you walk away from a street scene like that. Bravi Dior, I am sure that if proven innocent they will honor him but anti-semetic, gay, or racist comments are completely unacceptable ESPECIALLY if you are a star!!
He was only one of many who deserved to be suspended long ago for destroying the classic Dior look.
It seems to me that this entire thing has been blown out of proportion. Heated tempers under the influence of too much wine and large egos, and insults flew back and forth. If the other party insulted Galliano on his looks (because he looks flamboyantly gay?), I find that as inappropriate as an anti-semitic remark. If Galliano responded in kind, that doesn't make it right, but again, perhaps the slur towards him wasn't any more acceptable. Either way, it's a sad thing. I believe Dior acted in their own best interests, as of course they would. They are ultimately a business, and a relatively conservative one at that. I hope they realize they've lost a genius as well, though. I think it could have all been handled more diplomatically. And I keep in mind, there's a lot of inaccurate gossip floating around. Generally speaking, I believe we've lost our equilibrium when it comes to political correctness. One is almost rendered into silence, for fear of offending any multitude of different folks in some truly unintentional way. Of course I agree racism is a terrible and sad thing (look at America!), but I also think we need to retain some sense of calm thought. I predict Galliano will leave... his pride will never accept this. Can't say I blame him. He will invigorate another house or even his own house with his passion and talent. As for the incident, really, a tempest in a teacup after all is said and done. No, I do not mean anti-semitism is a tempest in a teacup! I say this incident is! And if they've only seized an opportunity to eject someone they've grown tired of, then truly, shame on them! They deserve some bore of a designer working for them!
Freedom of speech is under attack everywhere. This incident is just a manifestation of a much wider problem. An individual has a right to his or her opinion,and all because you don't agree with something a person says does not mean that person is a criminal, especially under alleged circumstances which may or may not have happened. If we as a species have learned anything from our past, and know anything of our nature, then we should know that using force to repress an opinion or an idea in a person's mind will only make it grow stronger and the hatred more powerful.
"Even in Paris", really ?
I'm a big fan of your work, I'm french, and I think you shoud stick to Fashion
I believe they should have held out until the matter was further investigated before suspending the talented Mr. Dior.
Obviously, it shows their lack of faith to the head man behind the operations of the Dior we know and love today and total sellout for sales.
But thats just my opinion.
They could have waited.
Again my opinion.
Maybe Dior should have simply issued a strongly worded statement about such behavior and distanced the brand from Galliano.
Full suspension should have been applied once the incident is investigated. Especially if greater repercussions come from this, such as legal action.
But this is what they did, and they may have even had a good reason for it. Who knows.
It was the right thing to do, especially from a business perspective. Dior is a brand with an image and whether he said something anti-Semitic or not their interests lie in the money they could potentially lose from someone who couldn't hold their liquor. Galliano is amazing and he's a huge figure in the industry and by those who follow fashion, but if you were to ask the average person on the street about him I'm pretty sure they would only look confused. Yet, somehow, they know Dior (and you can argue Galliano's influence in that but Dior's been around a little longer). I don't think you can compare the free pass athletes seem to receive to Galliano's situation either. Sports are just way too popular. Talking about sports is like talking about the weather. I don't pay attention to it or really care for it but I know the major players and what's going. It's not about Dior being right it's just "business as usual." You don't really hear about the recession hurting athletes or coaches but retailers. It sucks, but Dior isn't Galliano's best friend they're his employer.
A first hand account...
http://www.sleek-mag.com/news/galliano-vs-style-police/#more-10389
I'm not sure if anyone has already said this but;
I think Dior did what it had to do. Galliano is a genius, but with allegations such as those against him, that would definitely not reflect well on Dior. This would have been made even worse if Dior had simply done nothing.
I wonder what Kate Moss has to say about this...
Shame on Arnault for dropping their number 1 genius like a hot potato without proving anything on him. galiano's talent is what made that name to what it is today. I hope he leaves the house of Dior and does something.In the end it is their BIG loss.
He might of done this before-never got public and this just was the last drop.. The whole thing stinks.
There is no smoke without fire. Whatever the facts are about these allegations, Dior must have determined that a suspension for it's chief designer was better for them as a company than stand by him.
Ok, I think they suspended him simply because they had more info than the public and they were perfectly aware of the fact that when the details came out, Dior would have been accused of covering the whole thing up and of being compliant because he is Galliano.
I think they had no choice. People would have accused Dior of a two measure justice!
"Suspending" someone, does not mean that he is fired or that he is considered of being guilty. It simply means that because of really serious accusations (and by now facts, because there are testimonies) he has some unpaid time off!
There's no other action Dior could have taken but to suspend Galliano. Doing nothing at all is a tacit support of his actions in the event that they are proven true, firing him is totally inappropriate unless and until the allegations are shown to be true. There is a lot at stake and suspension in the circumstances is the only "middle ground" available to the company until more is known.
One can only speculate. Did he or did he not.... ?
More interresting seems to me, why Mr. Galliano's lacks the backing from Dior in this matter at this point in time ? Is it not impossible now for Mr. Galliano to go back to work for a house wich shows so little soildarity ? Under normal circumstances I would say that Dior wanted to get rid of him and would not mind if he quitts.
This was very quick.
and it should have been the same for Jean Paul Guerlain...
oh well who am I?
I am appalled at how horrible John Galliano's alleged insults are, and if I will not judge him before the enquiry proves them right, I wish you Scott had started out by pointing this out too before hazardly questioning Dior's decision which, in this matter, should come to any observer as sheer decency and common sense. Even in Paris.
Guys stop this!!!
If my anonymous self was cought in a similar situation, everybody would ask for my firing
Talent isn't enough.
Everyone must be responsible
Anonymous 9:35 pm--well said.
Ridiculous. Hope he quits, from jail! It's not like he needs Dior, I'd say it's the other way around. /LC
It isn't fair. They should definitely have investigated further before suspending Galliano. Dior is never the same without him.
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I´m shocked. I just hope that everything will end up good...
I think it's a European thing, especially in those countries who've actually been under German rule during WWII. Yes, it's old, but the Nazi ideals are still much hated around here. It's a sensitivity that doesn't just wear off. Say something about jews and entire rooms filled with people go quiet. 'Did someone say something about a jew?'
I think it's a little similar with any comment about a black person in the US. We Europeans don't understand that, exactly.
I don't thing being suspended is too harsh, I think that's what happens when you're being arrested for something considered a crime.
I must say that it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I think most people consider racist remarks racist, and discrimination not done. If I might say so, saying that anyone's allowed to say rather hateful thinks seems a little Dutch to me. No offense, I'm Dutch, I live there and I hear people utter the most hurtful things and then claiming 'freedom of speech'. Freedom of speech allows you to offer your opinion, sure, but common sense forces you to consider others and not be hurtful on purpose. You just don't go around saying that a certain group of people is less worthy than another, especially if you base it on race, religion, color. It's pretty ignorant to think that's what 'freedom of speech' means.
It is a knee-jerk reaction. Dior have made a mistake. At this stage they should have stayed silent until further information came to light or released a statement acknowledging the incident, noting that if there is evidence in support of the assertions made, that they will ask Galliano to step down...
From some of the comments here, could I surmise that being called "Asian" is an insult? I am an ethnic Chinese based in Asia, and am quite baffled by this. Perhaps he is less of an anti-Semite and more of an anti-Asian? This is mad. We shouldn't be targeting drunkards who spout such, but those who hold such beliefs and act in ways that manifest that bigotry in day-to-day living. They are the cancer, not John.
Scott,
If I am not mistaken French Law states that you ARE Guilty till proven innocent anyway.
Using pro athletes as an example leaves me somewhat bemused,their standards, are in my opinion are pretty low at best!
Dior existed before John Galliano and will continue to exist without him!!!!!!!!
A remark is enough to send someone to jail these days!!? Haha what a joke! ....or a tragedy.....
Some of the comments are simply ridicolous. Just because he is a famous designer, doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants and people are responsible for their actions. He has been arrested and this means that something wrong happened. I have read people complaining because the freedom of speech is sacred... then don't wine if someone calls you names and you feel offended. Let's stop to put famous people on a throne and adore them like Gods. Galliano is not a superhero nor doesn't come from another planet. He is a creative genius for sure, but he is first of all a human being and therefore rules of civil society are valid for him as well. And in normal life, a company suspends its employees accused of misbehaviour until the situation have been cleared. Welcome into the real world.
I agree it seems hasty to do something without evidence but not sure what the rules in Paris are. And isn't he supposed to design Kate Moss's wedding gown?? Should be interesting to see where it goes....
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And I don't think you should just stick to Fashion as this is Fashion News...and surprising at that.
He hasn't been dismissed, just suspended during an investigation by Dior.
In Britain and other parts of Europe, suspension pending investigation for something serious like this is absolutely standard. It doesn't mean the person has done whatever it is, it means they are suspended from work while it's investigated. If this allegation is false, he'll be reinstated, if true, there are a number of options open to Dior, including dismissal.
Hi M. Schuman,
happy to read this opinion at least this opinion concerning what Dior decided.
I think they should have waited for trial and the verdict before decide to act.
But it seems to be a custom here in France, for example last judicial media affair even our president did the same mix-up, he used the terms of "alleged culprit" to designate the presumed innocent.
Indeed, bad news ! :/
There may be a chance of it all being blow out of proportion, but by now we must realize there has to be some fire if there is a celeb going up in smoke. OK, so he's a great designer and Dior owes him their revival but does that free him of the responsibilities of being a decent human being? Would any of us have liked being in that position the couple allegedly was in? I don't think they would be feeling "oh hes a great designer, these insults mean nothing"... they must be hurting. Dior's suspension may be hasty but the perfect PR strategy. He is the face of the brand and should behave more responsibly and respectfully. But lets hope for his sake he is innocent.
PS - racism should not be tolerated.
I don't think anyone should be jailed for making remarks (with the exception of direct incitement to violence).
I suspect he is styling Kadafi.
It would have been nice to know that after 20 years at Dior, the bosses would have John's back and protect him by being loyal until his guilt is proven beyond any doubt. They do NOT! The fact that Galliano is suspended with in hours after the unfortunate encounter means (read between the lines) that he is on his own now! Absolutely unacceptable.I will not be surprised if Galliano will decide to leave Dior as a result. Brace yourself. You are now witnessing the beginning stages of crucifixion of one of the greatest designers of our time in the court of public opinion. What is more disturbing is the fact that nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING is so thoroughly enjoyed by the crowd as the decay and a fall from grace of the Brilliancy. Nobody knows what exactly happened but he is already proclaimed to be a "racist", an "Anti-Semite" and a "new Mel Gibson.". Shame.
This feels like the first step in pushing John out.
I think it's good to see the French fashion industry taking a stand against anti-semitism. It doesn't have the best track record. It's disappointing to see that so many people think Galliano's talent puts him above the law-he may or may not have made the alleged comments but some don't seem to care either way!Galliano ISN'T Dior in any case-designers come and go, it's the house and its founder that lasts. As for Galliano, drunk,stressed, tired-I could care less. These things reveal true nature not some evil twin. The house acted appropriately by standing him down during the investigation.
I think that Dior is right! It is only a suspension, so that the case can be cleared out.
Antisemitism is a very serious matter!!!
suspending John Galliano does not mean Dior are not supporting him behind the scenes. Unless you are Galliano or someone of some power at Dior, you dont know the full story.
the strangers are strangers because they are not well know, but even thought galliano is in the public eye. is he not also a stranger to all off us who do not know him personally, or people who do not follow fashion?
Suspension is just suspension. it happens in all fields and when situations get out of hand, shows the public they are doing something about it they don't tolerate it, and could it be possible they are just doing it so it looks like Galliano has been punished and has not gotten away with it whether the allegations are true or not they have been said and the damage is done.
Thank you Emma Gordon! i'm so so so agree with you!
I think that France and in this case Dior gone mad with political correctness. I think that this is a case where only police should be involved not the Dior CEO.
This is so stupid, everyone loooves John Galliano and there is no Dior imaginable without him...:-(
They schould have at least waited until proven guilty.
And let us worry more about the bigger worries in the world, such as Libie etc!!!
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@ Vinsky: a remark is not enough to send somebody in jail but a racist remark is punished by the law ... i guess you know that!
The tragedy is proliferation of racist remark! a few months ago, J-P Guerlain showed us that with the "N" word!
Why is his anti-semi-tism an issue ? It's his own business ? So what , there are anti-everything you can think of some where. Does Dior think sales would suffer ? Doubt it and in a week it would all be forgotten. But the "disgusting thighs" remark....well - he must go.
Dior is also discriminating, matter a fact the whole fashionindustry is. Fat people aren't able to fit in their clothes, even above the average size 12 it's hard to fit in their garments!
These clothes aren't made for the 'normal' people, but for a select clientele, and since a big part of this clientele is Jewish it seems logic to me that they suspend John.
Perfectly logical and acceptable.
He don't really think the things he said... he was probably drunk and angry. It can happen to everyone to do or say stupid things in some kind of situations or psychological conditions. I'm not justifying him, but I honestly thing that the press amplified the story.
let's face it.
the guy is finished.
I support the decision.
Yuck! Such fashion designers are so disgraceful to the company! What Dior did is right. People who have great taste in cloths should have good attitude too. Next time I see a fashionable person walking by, I will certainly assume him/her to be a cheap skate like this designer. I am shocked at how people are supporting this guy here in their comments.
Only in the America are you considered innocent until proven guilty. In some parts of the world, you are guilty until proven innocent.
What's going on? First Carine Roitfeld. Now this.
"Change.." on a larger scale?
I mean, come on you people!
Please, don't get me wrong but don't be so naïve.
If Dior did this, it's because they have more than that rant about Galliano...
A friend of mine was his personnal assistant for 2 years and you have NO IDEA what she went through... what Dior went trough with him... you wouldn't believe it...
John Galliano IS Dior. So, first, how is Dior going to cope with Fashion Week coming up, with a Dior show that has John Galliano's signature. No time to undo it now.
What difference does the suspension make?
Option: Decide to cancel the show?
C'mon mister Toledano...come and say to us the truth...Wich is the problem with John Galliano???
I'm confused by the whole story. Why wasn't he suspended for anti asian remarks? No one else heard or could confirm the anti-semitic remark. This whole story seems suspect....
Its a shame a mans life and reputation can be destroyed in a minute over hearsay....
What did Dior do during World War 2 again?
Are you kidding me?
Am I the only one that's apalled and truly disgusted with this?
I'm dissapointed in you Scott,who has so much influence in the world of fashion today that many people are just going to agree with this because your Scott.I think Dior did the right thing,yes sure john galliano is a genius but if you read what he said to these innocent people you would be disgusted!I'm sure either way he will be back but there needs to be some consequences to what he did.
I think theyndid the right thing.
Re: comparing it to football makes no sense bc how the last few scandals have been handle ESP big Ben is a disgrace.
they absolutely should not have suspended galliano. being in the public eye, he should have definitely been a little classier about the situation, but it sounds like both parties acted distastefully. not to mention, it now looks like dior assumes their own creative director is guilty.
Ummm, accusations don't just happen cuz. If he they suspended their head designer, it wasn't because they heard it from a friend of a friend; they had a good reason to do it.
I am a big Galliano fan, but I'm not about to make up excuses for him. He made anti-Semitic comments and Dior has a zero tolerance policy. The appropriate course of action was followed.
Of course Dior has to suspend him. No choice. And "presumed guilty until proven innocent" is an approach to law. It doesn't imply that the French "live in trees" as one of the commentators here put it.
But aside from whether or not Mr. Galliano is "guilty"....
However beautiful the clothes might be, racist comments make a person ugly. I only wish society might be as disgusted by sexist comments. - Jean