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Thursday, October 11, 2007

What Did I Get Myself Into Yesterday???

For now on I am photoshopping all cigarettes in my photos to look like old school walkie-talkies

not becasue I don't....crap....I'm falling into it again

lets get back to talking about style, ok?

posted by The Sartorialist at 4:38 AM

Comments on "What Did I Get Myself Into Yesterday???"

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:47 AM) : 

Haha, very noble call! :D But what will you do when it will be proved that walkie-talkies give you braincancer? ;) It seems that nowadays everything will give you cancer! But ok, fair enough... cigs are very obvious troublemakers in that regard.

 

Blogger boho*céline said ... (6:08 AM) : 

it's so typical for amercians to blow up this "don't smoke it's bad"-thing... i DON'T smoke, but i think the whole discussion is childish and ridiculous . this is art! it's fashion! it's fantasy! you should not censor it

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:22 AM) : 

lol you are a saint :D your blog is about fashion, not moral. keep up the stellar work!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:20 AM) : 

Well, I thought your comment was funny.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:42 AM) : 

the beauty of your photos is the naturalness of your subjects (their pose, the light, the looks on their faces) caught in their habitat. i'd rather you not sacrifice the beauty of your subjects to appease some people. i don't smoke and don't condone the glamorization of smokers. but i also know that it's illegal to bike without a helmet but i don't see commenters complaining about your photos of non-headgear wearing bicyclists, which always makes me want to bike around new york in a pretty dress without a helmet.

also, isn't it a cardinal rule among photojournalists that you shouldn't do anything electronically that you can't do in the darkroom?

 

Blogger Danielle said ... (7:57 AM) : 

Never worry about being all papa bear protective where your girls are concerned. Keep teaching them to live long, healthy, responsible lives. Thank you for what you said yesterday! :)

 

Blogger DeepBlueSea said ... (8:28 AM) : 

Perhaps there are some sites where people can argue about the merits (or not) of smoking... you could refer people to them!

YES - Back to the clothes and the styles...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:47 AM) : 

My vote is for early cell phones like those in American Psycho (and, sadly, my childhood).

 

Blogger MARIA H said ... (9:08 AM) : 

Scott, Fashion is not only about surface. It is also about identity, gender, social status, standars of normality and anormality: all the posible judgements people can do on others. Trying to avoid this elements is futile. Fashion is above all a statment of human condition and the way we present porself in the social realm. That is why you blog as an arena for discussion is CULTURALLY relevant.

 

Blogger MARCA REGISTRADA said ... (9:13 AM) : 

ha i guess i helped u yesterday by NOT posting any comment... anyways, welcome back to the style world! i think its kinda safer than the non-smokin' fight...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:15 AM) : 

I feel for you man. You simply can't win. From now on, just censor all comments related to political views (be it smoking, riding with or without a helmet, etc...) Maybe you should only post comments strictly related to style. But, whatever you decide to do, please don't censor your work.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:35 AM) : 

every one lighten the "f"ing it fashion

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:46 AM) : 

if people are too sensitive to cigarettes to even look at them in photos, they shouldn't be looking at blogs that might have photos of people smoking.

Seriously, who cares THAT much about even seeing a cigarette in a picture?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:59 AM) : 

smoking is a choice-what Inoticed is the FASHION...barbara

 

Blogger Landis said ... (9:59 AM) : 

oh please. let people ramble. life exists. you merely document the reality.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:07 AM) : 

Totally prefer the walkie talkiesssssss!!!!! :)

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:09 AM) : 

haha ahh yes, the smokers vs. the non is always a losing debate.

yes, they may give you cancer and if you're very lucky only some wrinkles, brittle hair and bad breath. however image wise they evoke a certain chic attitude and ambiance that cannot be ignored!

great pictures though & the personal attacks in the last photo were appalling...get a grip people!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:11 AM) : 

Dearest Sart,

"Use your intellect to guide you, and you will end up putting people off. Rely on your emotions, and you will forever be pushed around. Force your will on others, and you will live in constant tension. There is no getting around it—people are hard to live with."
Natsume Soseki

Just feel free. Your blog is immoderately good from the pictures to the comments. ;)
Thanx.

 

Blogger Deirdre said ... (10:20 AM) : 

LOL about all the smoking comments. Some people get so worked up over stuff.

Well, I'm off to shoot up.

 

Blogger Grace said ... (10:22 AM) : 

I don't think anyone would've thought you were "celebrating" smoking with the picture. It was the comment you made that threw you into the fray. ;)

 

Blogger Unknown said ... (10:37 AM) : 

Or a drumstick! I mean come on, who doesn't love a well dressed musician!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:40 AM) : 

"Psssssssst! I've heard peanut butter can contribute to cancer."


Nonsense! Classic rule of thumb: Never believe anything you hear, until you've done the research. Think, then speak. Easier said than done...

 

Blogger Stratos Bacalis said ... (10:44 AM) : 

So what next? photoshopping Humprey Bogart's old films and photos? Can yo uimagine Gilda without her cigarette? Jesus!!!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:54 AM) : 

People need to light'n up.

There are plenty more things to worry about in this dangerous world and none of us will live forever. It seems too many self-righteous people overestimate the quality of their city air and water, foods, and chemical-laden lifestyles in general.

I hate censorship. Keep doing what you do so beautifully.

s.l.d. cowen

 

Blogger Tereneh Idia said ... (11:03 AM) : 

I say everyone take a chill pill. Show cigs or not Sarto.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:06 AM) : 

Sometimes a picture is just a picture. Keep up the brilliant work.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:13 AM) : 

you didnt get yourself in anything yesterday. people just need to lighten up.

 

Blogger LH said ... (11:15 AM) : 

oh sart... i adore you!

 

Blogger Alyssa Coberly said ... (11:40 AM) : 

love it! love that people get so bent out of shape when you make a personal blip on YOUR own blog about YOUR own photograph - hmmm its not as if you forced them to come to YOUR own blog ... i applaud you for stating how you feel about it. I couldnt help laughing at some of those comments - so very serious and rude. sticking to style it is!

 

Blogger George A. said ... (11:45 AM) : 

I would not worry about it. This is your blog and quite frankly, all images and no commentary makes for a pretty stale look at fashion with no discussion. It was refreshing to see an actual discussion - I don't usually post, but I do religiously watch your blog. Keep it up Sart.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:50 AM) : 

This is getting really boring.

 

Blogger PeaceSignWithChocolate said ... (11:53 AM) : 

Sounds good, Sart! cigarettes, walkietalkies, whatever. I love the blog.

 

Blogger The Spicers said ... (11:55 AM) : 

Amen! Let's keep the discussion on fashion and style and leave the moralizing out. Are we going to start criticizing people for being overweight or too tan because those are also health risks? C'mon!!!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:56 AM) : 

OK all together now: censorship is not a good thing. Free speech is a good thing. Censorship means snuffing free speech. Snuffing = mullahs/fascists/nazis and the ilk.
Can we be grown up here? Let the guy do what he wants and say what he wants. If you don't like it then visit another blog. That is the beauty of a free society!

cheers
--haapi

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:04 PM) : 

Poor Sart! You can never win with the commenters.

I don't care what you put in your photos as long as the outfits are inspiring.

I love your work!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:23 PM) : 

Maybe you could also photo shop bike helmets onto the smokers heads.

Opti MOM

 

Blogger T38 said ... (12:24 PM) : 

Sart, the photo yesterday didn´t provoque those comments, it was your phrase... but you are free of express yourself and people to comment, aren´t you?

But i prefer the artist who shot, the great artist who shot fashion!

Kisses!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:25 PM) : 

haha walkie talkies!

What about party horns?
or make them blowing bubbles!
Carine Roitfeld blowing bubbles!

Just kidding... nothing you post could ever offend me except maybe a particularly ugly outfit ;)

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:29 PM) : 

Smoking ruins your gums. You will have receding gums and long teeth if you smoke. So sexy. So stylish.

 

Blogger DJ said ... (12:47 PM) : 

now we have the same crap. I photoshop 'em before posting. wew!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:10 PM) : 

Although that would be a quite interesting take on the photos, but I'm sure it would deter to what you're here to do and I'm sure you've realized that but seriously, you don't need to please anyone.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:31 PM) : 

Aw, poor Sart. As my sainted old Ma would say:

You can't win for losing.

I thought your comment was funny! But, then, I'm a sucker for the Midwest Farmer sense of humor.

Dry. Deadpan.

-- desertwind

PS - To stir up the hornet's nest (or is it: To flog a dead horse?) I'm going on record: I started smoking in my 20s (for which I blame the English, the Dutch, the Germans and the French...) and I'm 50 now. It is so hard to quit; expensive; dirty; unhealthy, but I do love it so.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:31 PM) : 

Guess what people: we are all going to die. For some it will be painful and protracted. For others it will be sweetly swift. So shut up already about ciggies. Yes, yes, we got the memo: they kill, they stink, they make your teeth yellow... cancer... blah, blah, blah. Who cares? I don't want photoshop photos. I want style, regardless of what those self-satisfied petite bourgeouis Americans think about it. Stop thinking anyone else cares what you think except your shrink and your guru (good luck w/ that too)

 

Blogger Pim said ... (1:32 PM) : 

I'm not a smoker, but even I find it hard not to smoke at all when in smoky bars and other places in Europe. Don't be too hard on yourself, you might just fall back out of it again when you're home.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:46 PM) : 

It's so typical of Americans this and that blah blah blah... If you don't like what is so typical of Americans please stop viewing and American blog, shot by an American.

P.S. Smoking is really bad for you and you shouldn't do it. You might die.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:56 PM) : 

Yes, let's get back to style.

After all, with France's ban on smoking inside of public spaces coming into play in January 2008, you'll be seeing considerably more people smoking on the street in Paris than before.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:07 PM) : 

Umm.. I wonder how those people are in real life? Perhaps all their friends smoke and they politely hang around and laugh along with them, only to come home and vent in front of their PC/Mac. Because if they really are like that in real life, they'd have no friends.
Hate to be mean but I feel bad for all this undue stress on Sart!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:17 PM) : 

I enjoyed the comment. How can people be offended by someone saying that smoking is bad? For lack of a better word, DUH! Obviously a parent doesn't want their children to smoke, at least if they care about them.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:18 PM) : 

People smoke; it's a reality. You Dear Sartorialist take pictures of people. You are bound to stumble upon more than one with a cigarette in hand. Quite normal in my point of view.

I personnaly hate cigarettes, but not to the point of censoring "the view" of a cigarette. It doesn't intice me to smoke anyway...

PS: Please, do a better Photoshop job than Mr. Speilberg did... ; )

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:36 PM) : 

how very "e.t." and speilberg of you!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:02 PM) : 

Please. Don't cry wolf here, since it is your site, and you have total control of the content.

Sites that are better moderated have more intelligent discussions. And there are many of those sites out there, growing by the day.

Take responsibility for your site and that won't happen again.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:04 PM) : 

That's so ridiculous, name another photographer who shot street and everyday life scenes who censored his work???

 

Blogger Jayce said ... (3:43 PM) : 

Right.
Look, you cannot protect everyone. In the same respect the only reasonable way to influence the choices of others is to lead by example so it is ultimately the 'models' decision to smoke or not smoke and decide what light they are comfortable being viewed in.

Granted an individual portrayed brooding and smoking a cigarette has a certain effect that translates better on film than in real life. Just about anything can be glamorized and therein lies the conflict.
So as an author you can't alter your subject, only omit the finished product if your beliefs outweigh the message you'd like to convey.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:57 PM) : 

Sart, I don't know what it is with people but they get way too worked up sometimes. This is your blog and you should be able to say whatever you want on it, whether that be about smoking, helmut riding, drugs, whatever the matter. I am appalled at the personal attacks that were leveled at you simply because of your opinion. Try not to think about those folks, they're just not worth it. People should already know that your blog's focus is fashion and not get so worked up over other things.

-N

 

Blogger jane maynard said ... (3:59 PM) : 

I just have to say, I think your comments today and yesterday are totally funny and I'm surprised at some of the reactions! relax, people. life is too short!

as always, love your pics and commentary...it's your blog, do what you will, we've all been pleased with the results so far! :)

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:28 PM) : 

hey Sart! Hopefully you are laughing right along w/ all your rational readers out there. Wow... sometimes you just can't win. I will have to adopt your rule for when I have kids. ;)

In the same vein of reader comments... I personally love the positive ones, or ones that expand upon ideas, not cut them down. Something I appreciate so much about your blog is that you are presenting images and ideas that you LIKE... why waste time on the negative?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:36 PM) : 

It's so typical for Europeans to tell Americans how we blow things out of proportion and censor things and are childish and ridiculous and self-satisfied and bourgeois.

Oh, delicious irony.

Seriously, people. Get over yourselves. Let the man take his beautiful photos and even (gasp) have an opinion once in a while. If you want to have your own opinions, get your own blogs.

Thank you, Scott, for giving us all you do (FOR FREE), for putting up with unnecessary abuse, and for not being afraid to have an opinion and speak it now and again. But mostly, thank you for your wonderful art.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:42 PM) : 

PEOPLE, PLEASE.
Sart, one of my fave 'personal blogs' is Dooce, and I will repeat here what she says. "This is a personal site".
Why do peopel feel the need to subject themselves to offensive content? Just don't show up. There are plenty of us out here who understand this concept.Duh. Go change the world someplace else.

 

Blogger Xavi said ... (6:30 PM) : 

Americans, americans.
I'm so amazed that even reading comments of a fashion blog you have to deal with comments like "we saved you people from the nazis, don't you forget that" or "if you don't agree with our ways to see the world, why do read this blog? This is an AMERICAN blog". God. Why does it have to be this way? Where does this pervert and agressive patriotism come from? If someone would criticize my (northern european) country, it's culture or politics, I never would or could take it that personally. You're just making the stupid stereotypes stronger by acting this way, you know.

It seems also that so many of you are totally missing the point here. When Sart shows a photo of two beautiful girl smoking, he HAS to tell the fact that she doesn't want her kid to smoke. And that's because of the "fascist" anti-smoking readers who always have the need to tell the whole world that smoking is not good for you. By now we all know that, I think. But people do smoke (and models smoke a lot. IT IS A FACT!). Would you really see it more morally correct for an artist, Sart in this case, not to take the picture OR ask the girls not to smoke and then take the shot?

WHY can't we just enjoy the beauty and talk about the heels and the hair and the hats? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just took their moral lectures somewhere else?

Have a little mercy on the poor guy.

PD. And I'm sorry about my bad, bad, bad english. We europeans sometimes speak english sooooo bad.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:37 PM) : 

i love your blog and i almost never comment, but i think it's good that you do care about the smoking debate, and since its your blog, you can pretty say whatever you want (within reasonable boundaries). i don't think its necessary to photoshop out the cigarettes cuz you are simply a photographer and not intentionally glamorizing it, but it made me sad that people were so flippant about smoking and its link to caner. being in medical school, i really saw the HUGE effect smoking can have on your health first hand with the patients i interacted with. it not only causes cancer, but also heart disease, asthma, and basically damages every cell in your body it touches. but then my grandpa is 93 and has smoked for like 40 years until he finally quit. so of course there is no direct correlation for everyone, but still, smoking is a lot worse that what most people seem to think. but i just wanted to give you props and remind you, its your prerogative to say what you think! (but i do like your fashion posts better. :) )

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:45 PM) : 

Wow this has unearthed a lot of prejudice ("you americans..."). I am surprised - I thought this site would appeal mostly to people who think of themselves as international. But probably these folks are the silent majority.
Sart, your comments made me laugh. The discussion made me sleepy.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:08 PM) : 

actually, bohoceline it's not "fantasy," and it's OK for people to have opinions, even if they're idiots! maybe you should not censor that.

no one has convinced me yet that people stating opinions on this site based on the photos but slightly off the topic of fashion is a bad thing.

must everyone be complacent and accepting all the time? is it that upsetting to people that sometimes others disapprove, or make relatively short, painless statements on something they feel strongly enough to comment on? no one's saying things like "ooh smoking's BAD so those girls SUCK!" that would be intolerable.

but there are just as many comments complaining about the opinions than there are opinions! relax.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:11 PM) : 

um, anon 7:42... there have been many, many comments on this site about helmets that have resulted in similar discussions as this, just so ya know.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:13 PM) : 

anon 9:15 ah, yes. censorship is the answer.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:34 PM) : 

i feel that you handled the smoking pic beautifully, mr. sart. with a light-hearted quip and a nod to your readers. and the expected responses followed. it's fine. your rational readers don't want you to change a thing. clearly, your loyal fans are quick to jump to your aide lest any disparaging remarks be directed toward you. please don't censor yourself unduly, or your commenters. but, old-school walkie talkies are sweet, so we'll happily leave it up to your discretion.

btw, i found the remarks about Americans more offensive than the ones about smoking. i've been both at times. i think leah nailed it, though.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:38 PM) : 

Hey Sart,
I quit smoking a few days ago.. very tough, not for sissies. your comment gave me just a little nudge to keep going.. it's a killer...whether people like to admit it or not. good not to perpetuate the"glamour" of it..there's enough of that out there... good call on your part.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:26 PM) : 

I understand your opinion on cigarettes, and I think it's great that you're warning your children about it...

However, you take wonderful photos of some very stylish people, some of which happen to smoke, and smoking obviously involves lighting up. When I first saw the photo, it never occurred to me that its purpose was to celebrate the habit.
And you did, in a way (if unwittingly), start the discussion by drawing extra attention to the very aspect that you didn't want people to focus on. And when you side with one camp, you're always bound to make someone unhappy. It's a shame this got so out of hand.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:50 PM) : 

People,

Why can't you respect this blog for what it is and focus on appreciating his work. He takes the time to go onto the streets to bring us viewers sitting in the comfort of our own homes, pictures of how fashion is expressed in reality. And then he takes the time to kindly share it with us aiming to please us just as he pleased himself. So please comment with respect and appreciation.

Sart,

Please don't let any comments get to you or affect any of your work! We love you the way you are! Keep being as real as possible.

~ pearlescent

 

Blogger Elizabeth said ... (12:02 AM) : 

Yes, your blog is about fashion, THANK GOODNESS; and if I saw the two girls in your controversial photo I would drop over dead from shock and joy... the smoking probably wouldn't even register. I work in an affluent community selling cosmetics and just wish there were more people with style. Instead about a third dress expensively but with no style, about a third dress in what look like expensive camp clothes (polo shirts tucked into khakis, why?) and the rest aaarrgghhh hoodies and flip flops. Not to mention the women my age (60) and younger who have just given up, waited too long to do anything about their smoke (sorry) and sun ravaged skin, don't bother to get a good haircut and are still wearing the same lipstick they graduated from college in.

This rant is mainly in support of your wonderful photos but also your comments which are great even when not so thought-provoking.

 

Blogger Unknown said ... (12:20 AM) : 

Look at all of our our comments ... We are people who love style, and who love commenting on the length of skirt, the amount of cuff showing beneath a jacket, the stiching on a seam ... and the politics involved in presentation ... hmm... What does this say about us?

Can we change the world?

I agree with maria ... all of the posts related to the smoking debate simply underscore the relevancy of what you are doing, Scott (even the silly ones - HA!). In fact, all of our various discourses do have a relevancy to an extent. It is as though we are part of a world community of fashionistas with points of view.

With all of the craziness in the world, we are damn lucky to be able to spend time blogging about fashion. Can't wait to make my next post about one of your shots.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:58 PM) : 

dear sart,
i think that you have an incredible eye for stylish people but i've just discover that you're not the sartorialist, you're the moralist.
stop this childish talking about smoking. don't you americans have a lot of people smoking in your country too?
i am not your daughter, i just want to see beautiful photos of elegant people.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:25 PM) : 

you should photoshop bags of potato chips... maybe donuts. Sart... you are too frikkin' cool. Ignore all these irritable chumps & just be you!

We love you!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:58 PM) : 

Hahah. Walkie talkies.. yeah!

xx natasha

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:30 PM) : 

anyone heard from coco lately?

 

Blogger evinrude said ... (9:40 AM) : 

oh you poor thing! i think it's really hard to get both sides to be happy.

just so you know, i love your work, love the pictures and as a fashion design student i come by regularly to help me with my work at school. pls carry on taking photos! cigs or not! because all i care about is the style! and not the subject's life decisions. =)

p.s. i think that comment was really funny! =D

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:54 PM) : 

please don't photoshop anything out. reality is an essential part of your photos, and photoshopping approaches that artificial glamourization in clothing ads to which your blog seems to act as a counterpoint. besides, smoking is visually attractive; as if the controversy surrounding the habit doesn't make it sexy already.

 

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