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Thursday, July 29, 2010

The Saggy Debate

So apparently this is now a legal issue.

Here is a link to the NY Post article.

So what do we think?

I understand (but don't agree) that the guys feel this is a macho thing but do women really want to be seen with a guy wearing their pants like this?

Comments on "The Saggy Debate"


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:54 AM) : 

NOT!! horrible, cheap.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:58 AM) : 

not t all!


Anonymous Jeanlaid Alvarez said ... (9:58 AM) : 

It doest look good ... is not flattering ... is not sexy at all ,but each person have the right to dress the way they want !!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:59 AM) : 

I personally don't think they look very good, but I don't think that 'women' have a monolithic view on that many things, including mens' pants.

Also, there is the possibility that at least some of these men don't really give a fig what a random woman wants them to dress like.

The legal issue sounds somewhat ludicrous until you remember that it is legal for men to walk around topless, but not for women, so the idea of policing clothing is already inconsistently handled. I don't think either should be illegal - tops or bottoms.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:59 AM) : 

Aaaargh! I hate this, & it's everywhere!! I am CONSTANTLY having to say to my 14yr old nephew "please pull your pants up!" The 'bottom' line is, every woman I know thinks this looks r.i.d.i.c.u.l.o.u.s! (Thanks so much for highlighting the....issue!)


Blogger Cheryl Houston said ... (9:59 AM) : 

As a woman- NO! I don't want to see your underwear. I'm basically looking at his ass! How thick is underwear fabric? Where is his junk in the front?


Really? That's a masculine thing?


Anonymous digitthemost said ... (10:01 AM) : 

I live in London and see these guys all the time. In the context of The Sartorialist, it's almost possible to convince oneself that he has an element of style. When you see them (trying to) walk like this everyday, it's just laughable.


Anonymous Brian said ... (10:02 AM) : 

No, it doesn't look good. BTW, did you take this photo, Scott?


Blogger Angela said ... (10:02 AM) : 



Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:03 AM) : 

i won't even talk to a guy who's displaying his underpants/ no, no, no.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:06 AM) : 

Agreed, each should be able to choose how to dress - what their style is. I guess, though in the case of business owners, they have the right to allow/disallow inappropriate dress. This would fall under that - who wants to see all of that? Not sexy, not cute, not even stylish!!


Anonymous GiGi said ... (10:09 AM) : 

The way this forces men to walk, as though they've had a #2 accident, is definitely not attractive. Nor manly.


Anonymous Samantha F. said ... (10:10 AM) : 

I'm a high school student and kids are constantly being being suspended for too many pants infractions.

I agree with my english teacher, who said that since girls have to have their skirts no more than 4 inches above their knee (school rule), guys should not be able to have their pants any more than 4 inches below their crouch.
Dont ask how she would test this.


Blogger Unknown said ... (10:11 AM) : 

no, no, no! Women, other men, children, animals, you name it NO ONE in their right mind wants to be seen out with anyone who thinks it's a good look/sexy/ socially acceptable to go out in public with this much saggy, greying boxer clad ass out. X


Anonymous Joanna Roman said ... (10:11 AM) : 

Nope, definitely NOT

It is for me a quite disgusting mixture of "fashion" and personality emanation via using clothes. Someone who does it this way is just for me a man, with whom a woman can't feel well and MAINLY not because of wardrobe but because of what it portraits about the user.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:14 AM) : 

Absolutely, definitely NO, this does not look good.


Blogger Jessica / Lola Vintage said ... (10:14 AM) : 

To me it would seem unrespectable, just kinda silly overall. I'd probably want to laugh and keep saying, "please pull up your pants."
just sayin'.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:16 AM) : 

In a word ... NO!!!!!!!


Blogger Rob Boddice said ... (10:20 AM) : 

Making it a legal issue is absurd and a waste of time. If idiots want to make themselves easily identifiable, so much the better for the rest of us, no?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:21 AM) : 

Its a true reflection of class and low self-esteem, a complete lack of respect for authority (a new Rebel without a Cause). These people revel at being different, with being on the outside, but they lack power or influence. They are being duped in perpeptuating stereotypes and only deepening the pockets of business that are prostituting them and they don't even realize it. Its not self-expression with the masses cotton on to the same look.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:21 AM) : 

For me it's no cool, no class and so indecent.


Blogger Belle de Couture said ... (10:21 AM) : 

Absolutely, positively, NOT.
Guys that feel this is "macho" are just plain ignorant and immature.



Anonymous Annie's Online Store said ... (10:22 AM) : 

its ok, i will not say that its bad, it might suit some and it might not suit some depending on their chioce and body, howevre, stylishly cut clothing suits all if its worn good


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:22 AM) : 

Absolutely not.


Blogger P said ... (10:22 AM) : 

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Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:22 AM) : 

Ladies............ya need to tell em!

I'm a 51year old blk man that has worn an afro, platform shoes,cornrows, locks and stuff from Unique clothing I get the style thing. But to me it is style overload it's like the Liberace of the hip hop genre..I think that it's just poor taste...but someone may make the same claim about women's tight jeans and cleavage
(which I happen to be smitten by, but that's just me...I'm just sayin')...or seersucker, baseball caps worn backwards or any other personal expression of style.

So having said all that I don't think legal sanction is we may just have to wait for this to pass. God's speed.



Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:23 AM) : 

tats appalling


Blogger Verdigris Vie said ... (10:24 AM) : 

He is wearing much more than Anna Dello Russo a few posts below.


Anonymous FeiStyle said ... (10:25 AM) : 

I am not on board. Walking problems aside, having a crotch so low makes one's legs look short.


Blogger Valeria said ... (10:25 AM) : 

please... NO!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:26 AM) : 

What really amuses me is that most of the "boys" who wear their pants this way seem unaware of the origins of this tradition. This style is meant to be an act of solidarity with and a show of support for the men who are incarcerated who have their belts taken from them, leaving their pants sagging. For some it might be a political statement, but not for most. Definitely calls for some fashion policing!


Blogger Walter Ostlie said ... (10:33 AM) : 

I don't get why people are so angry about this. Not like his actual butt skin is sticking out. I am not sure how this is much worse then a girl wearing hot pants. Maybe we should all walk around in robes so we don't see any unsightly bulges? At least lets go after speedos first.


Blogger Unknown said ... (10:34 AM) : 

Wearing one's pants in such a manner does not extract the visceral quality that one usually experiences through form-fitting clothing. Sagged pants shorten the legs, increase the length of the torso, and thus, he gains the posture and stature of a hobbit. Here, silhouette and aesthetic are ignored in attempts to exert manhood; which, through an ensemble created out of laziness and through the trite emulation of violent societal figures, he finds a sense of primal masculinity?


Blogger Unknown said ... (10:34 AM) : 

Let's not forget Halle Berry at the MTV Movie Awards...there was no police officer giving her a ticket for having her thong hanging out! It looks totally ridiculous whether it's a man or a woman but it's an individuals decision how much respect they earn walking out of the house!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:35 AM) : 

While I'm totally against this, I realize the chasm between "what a person's individual rights are opposed to what 'society' considers ' "ugh!" ' These men/boys leave someone's home everyday, therefore that's where the conversation should begin! Society has allowed so many other detrimental behaviors, so I guess these individauls see what society's 'well-dressed' individuals do that's inappropriate and feel that they can express themselves in any way they see fit just the same. Hmm... Hmm...


Anonymous Fenke said ... (10:36 AM) : 

as much as i HATE this look, i still don't see why legal actions should be taken - unless it's some kind of comedy we are living in...
oops sorry, forgot this is taking place in the us, where everbody can sue anybody for anything ;-)
glad to see though "they" obviously have nothing more important to do.


Anonymous Adrienne said ... (10:37 AM) : 

America already has too many legal constrictions on our so called Freedom of Expression. Nude beaches anyone? There is no need to bring the law into this matter...let the prudes whine about it on Sunday.

As to whether or not it's attractive...I guarantee you there is an element of the female population that feels this is the height of masculinity and wouldn't so much as look at a man otherwise. But then you probably won't find them reading the Satorialist blog anytime soon. Too each his own. Personally I find somewhere in the middle to be ideal. No fancy suits and expensive shoes. No baggy shorts or outrageous bling. Just regular guy.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:38 AM) : 

I don't mind when teenagers do it, because they don't know much better. however, it is not a good look for an adult.


Blogger x deb said ... (10:39 AM) : 

Definitely not!!
It looks horrible!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:40 AM) : 

Is this any worse than Broccoli Spears and her chums constantly forgetting to put their pants on at all. People will always behave in ways which others find inappropriate, but as long as they aren't physically hurting anyone, I don't see the problem. Enjoy your freedom and allow others to enjoy theirs – it's only clothes and you could be living in Iran.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:40 AM) : 

As a woman I don't like for ourselves even the bra strap showing. Needless to say, I don't wish to see someone’s underwear. It is in the word "underwear".


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:42 AM) : 

Emma say...No way would I give a second glance at a guy walking by exposing his underwear, but there are girls out there that do find this attractive. These "macho men" typically have a low credit score to match their low IQ! It's true and you all know it!


Blogger Unknown said ... (10:43 AM) : 

My boy wears his pants a little like this... I can't say that I'm proud with him... but it's not so bad... He feels it like this, has his style :)


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:44 AM) : 

No, no and three times no...


Blogger La Clochard said ... (10:45 AM) : 

NO. But..."You can raise your level of respect if you raise your pants,"

Read more:

I mean, there is a big differenece between wearing your trousers below the waistline -which can appear relaxed and informal- and wearing them like the man in the photo, with his underwear saying hello to everybody -wich is also ridiculous because there is no way to walk like this-.

kisses :)


Anonymous SF_Gal said ... (10:45 AM) : 

Can Not STAND this look. It's utterly ridiculous and preposterous.

Automatic disqualification.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:45 AM) : 



Blogger balsamfir said ... (10:46 AM) : 

Not, as you well know. They can hardly walk either.


Anonymous igram said ... (10:46 AM) : 

Do people still do this? I mean, it's so 90's..

And why did they even ever start?


Anonymous Amy said ... (10:46 AM) : 



Blogger Kazuki Yamada said ... (10:48 AM) : 

Even in Japan, I have seen that man like this photo. I think this style looks sloppy.


Blogger Kazuki Yamada said ... (10:48 AM) : 

Even in Japan, I have seen that man like this photo. I think this style looks sloppy.


Anonymous Michael said ... (10:51 AM) : 

Playing the Devil's Advocate here, for a moment...

What if a guy put a little more care into putting this look together -- Chose a pair of nicely-patterned, silk boxers, crisp trousers, etc.

That was a joke (sort of). But can't almost any look be rehabilitated with creativity and some smart choices?


Anonymous Julnyes said ... (10:51 AM) : 

Do I find it in any way attractive? No

Do I think it should be illegal? No

Do I wish my nephew would pull up his darn pants? Oh god, yes.


Blogger Arantxa y Roberto said ... (10:52 AM) : 



Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:52 AM) : 

Either you accept individualism, or you send out the message "Why can't you just dress like the rest of us?", which further distances the individual from the norm. Equally, if everyone dressed like Mr Belted Shorts in Paris, there would be no reason for someone dressing like that to appear in this blog.


Blogger brandt said ... (10:54 AM) : 

This is about a generation of dads, being too afraid to say anything, to their sons!
It's anything but macho, and if handing out a fine is what's needed so others don't have to see his undies, then fine on!
It's like second hand smoke...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:54 AM) : 

Fashion is largely dictated by the company you keep and the group you most identify with. Unless you have enough self confidence to deviate from it then this will remain a style until the prognosticators of this look change direction and the sheep follow. But this predicament of fashion is not exclusive to the urban or hip hop community.


Anonymous Johnny the Mule said ... (10:56 AM) : 

I think it is ugly and distasteful. The guy in the picture even more so, with his blackberry on his belt. "I am bad@ss but I still have to do e-mail".


Anonymous Simon said ... (10:57 AM) : 

I live in the North of England and this look seems to be everywhere. Surely women cannot take a man looking like this seriously. As much as I like rap (please don't confuse this with hip-hop), this looks like a bloke with potty training issues.


Blogger Hilda said ... (10:58 AM) : 

No. Even if it's legal.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:59 AM) : 

Although personally I think this is lazy and looks awful, its really all in how you look at it.

Cone bras, huge shoulder pads, armadillo shoes...Lady Gaga walking around with no pants on at all...

its all been done, and just because its not readily on the runways in the fall doesn't mean its not someones way of expressing themselves.


Blogger Hek said ... (10:59 AM) : 

I used to like when guys dressed a bit sloppy when I was a teenager, but I don't think it looks good on grown men. Sagging isn't too bad, but having the whole butt having out looks stupid. I like a man that dresses with pride and sophistication.

That said, I think it's ridiculous to have laws on how people can dress. We don't have that as far as I know in Norway where I live. But I know some European countries are getting laws on burkas and hijabs in schools, which I think is just crazy. People should wear what they want, and nobody can say what type of clothes is "right".


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:01 AM) : 

A clown, he looks like a real clown. Macho? Please! I'm from Spain, from where the word macho comes,and this is just the opposite. Macho is not this.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:01 AM) : 

It's just sad that guys have to prove himself and show others his masculinity in such a horrific way of dressing. If you ever show it at all, then, show it all the way! Otherwise, please hide it!!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:02 AM) : 

Well I think if guys really knew where this look came from they might have a second thought, it derives from prison culture. In the "yard" it is a way to distinguish which men are "available" and it means that you are willing to be a bottom.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:02 AM) : 

It's impossible to take a person seriously when their pants are around their knees.


Anonymous moxie said ... (11:03 AM) : 

Clothes convey how we want to be perceived - suits for 'executives,' uniforms for public workers, track suits for the retired (and mob).

If you want to convey a familiarity with the prison system, you wear baggy pants


Blogger Unknown said ... (11:05 AM) : 

It's disgusting.....


Anonymous Ana Magnolia said ... (11:05 AM) : 

Horrible and stupid (because it dequalifies a person immediately).

No, no, no.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:06 AM) : 

i recently threw on some shorts to run a quick errand. i skipped the belt and in no time my shorts were hanging low. never mind how i looked - it was uncomfortable beyond words. i know beauty has no price, but fellas - come on. and this guy in particular couldn't be less attractive.


Blogger beauty comma said ... (11:07 AM) : 

even my nice, well-mannered, mozart-loving norwegian piano students show up at their lessons dressed like this (albeit in a little more discreet version)... it looks both unstylish and embarrassingly stupid, and i always wonder what'll happen if they're late for the bus and have to run. but it'll pass - i suddenly remembered the time when girls wore low-cut jeans with half of their g-strings showing. i haven't seen that for a long time now, so hopefully we can all laugh at this in a while!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:09 AM) : 

This is a legitimate style choice, much as some of us don't find it to our taste. As far as it being illegal, that's just silly. We should all be able to express ourselves as we see fit, as long as we don't hurt anyone!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:10 AM) : 

Not just women...I don't think that anyone wants to see guys wearing their pants like this! Quite disgusting!!


Blogger Joelle said ... (11:11 AM) : 


When is half a guy's ass hanging out a macho thing? I don't care what people say...someone buy this guy jeans his REAL size.


Blogger franca maisha said ... (11:11 AM) : 

omg. so horrible and it should be banned to walk around in public like this.


Blogger Ray said ... (11:12 AM) : 

Deffinetely not! He's awful!


Anonymous Coco said ... (11:13 AM) : 

One of my friends had this topic as a debate topic in her social studies class. They decided that when a guy's pants are practically at their knees, like in the picture, it's unattractive and tacky. However, completely covering the underwear, for younger guys anyway, wasn't attractive either. The class' final verdict was that guys should wear a belt and they should belt their pants about halfway to three quarters of the way up their butt for ultimate attractive factor.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:18 AM) : 

besides lacking style in all elements, this look has a disgusting background. in prisons, men would need to fill their desires and resort to the other men in jail. so, when these prisoners left they advertised their availability to other men by exposing themselves just as this picture demonstrates.

now, if only men knew...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:18 AM) : 

I just don't understand how the pants stay on at all. 1) Followers of this trend have to walk like they are carrying a huge dump in their seat. 2) Do you have to pin the front of the pants to something (shirt? hidden belt?) to keep them from falling all the way off? I see this all the time and just cant stop thinking about how ridiculously uncomfortable and nettlesome the whole arrangement must feel to the wearer. I really hoped the "Pants on the ground" song might help usher out this trend, but it doesn't seem so. Too bad!


Blogger the coolbirth kid said ... (11:19 AM) : 

i don't understand this look;
i get that it is associated with a street machismo.
but i ask you,
what is so macho about showing one's ass?
(which is essentially what they're doing.)
it looks as if they're trying to sell it.
and that's fine,
but please let's not call it masculinity.


Blogger Christina said ... (11:20 AM) : 

Woman repellent.


Anonymous Gradiva said ... (11:21 AM) : 

No, people shouldn't have the right to look ridiculous: there should exist an the aesthetics code and an aesthetics police too!


Blogger star cat said ... (11:22 AM) : 

WHY? thats what i wonder when i see someone with their ass hanging out of their pants. and how on earth can it be efficient/comfortable, to walk around like that? but.. to each his own, that is the glory of living in a free country, the right to dress how you want. fashion is an expression of the times we live in, and for these unfortunate souls who choose to put their ass on display, that is their choice, their reality. we can just add it to the collective archives of WTF? just another fashion faupaux that will eventually fade out. the more attention it gets, the more we will see of it. at least they arent wearing g- strings!


Blogger the coolbirth kid said ... (11:24 AM) : 

an aside:
ever walk up stairs,
behind someone in droopy pants?
they have a tendency to hop,
or sort of skip,
up the stairs,
because hip joints are basically lassoed.


Anonymous Amanda said ... (11:24 AM) : 

I don't know about making it illegal, but it is a trend that certainly needs to pass. I don't care to see a woman wearing a mesh dress over bra and panties and I do not want to see a man's boxers over the top of his jeans.


Blogger Yoli said ... (11:24 AM) : 

It is a very bad look. I do not believe it is macho it all. Could never comprehend this trend in what is trying to portray. For the definition of macho he should see the guy from "Dirty Jobs."


Anonymous christopher said ... (11:24 AM) : 

i don't see much machismo in having to be constantly yanking your pants back up every five or six steps. i have also seen this travesty at the beach! because apparently there's nothing sexier than soggy boxer shorts wadding out of a pair of board shorts. er, no, no thank you.


Blogger Sarah J. MacManus said ... (11:25 AM) : 

It looks stupid, it puts the wearer at a physical disadvantage as most of them need to keep one hand on the waistband to walk, and considering the style originated in prison to indicate that the wearer was ammenable to sexual relations via the dropped trou, it's absolutely laughable.


Anonymous Greg said ... (11:27 AM) : 

I don't think it's about being macho so much as it often is about self preservation. You see this sort of thing a lot in poor or dangerous areas. I live near a homeless shelter, and when I walk around the neighborhood I want to make sure that people will leave me alone. So I dress down when I expect to keep within a few blocks. If I lived near heavy gang activity I would probably adjust my look somewhat for that environment, as it would be even more important to blend in. This particular look in question originated in prisons. If you're going to mess with someone on the street, you're probably less likely to pick on the guy who looks like he's fresh out of jail.
That said, of course I find the look unappealing: I read The Sartorialist like everyone else here!


Blogger aurora said ... (11:28 AM) : 

He looks horrible


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:28 AM) : 

No, thank you.

Though why would anyone even want to walk around with their trousers around the knees? Isn't it difficult? How do they walk up the stairs?

Just... why make their everyday life more difficult wearing something that restricts their movement? (I'd put platform shoes in this category as well).


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:30 AM) : 

Okay, can I just throw one name into the discussion - Alexander McQueen.

When McQueen died, a great deal was made of his invention of The Bumster - low-cut trousers which revealed the cleft of the buttocks. McQueen's position was that this was as erotic as breast cleavage, which we do display.

So, if the low-slung trousers display naked buttock cleft - is that an acceptable style statement? An erotic display? And, if the name Alexander McQueen enters the debate, do we all think low-slung trousers are fashionable and stylish?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:33 AM) : 

It'd be interesting to know where and how this started - is it merely a rebellion against neatness or something more deeply symbolic? What are its limits in terms of how low to go? And at what age should a man start to pull up his trousers?


Blogger Charlotte said ... (11:33 AM) : 

one words:



Anonymous honolulu said ... (11:33 AM) : 

It is fun and kinda cute... on somebody else's boyfriend. I think the boys are experimenting with the only cleavage mother nature gave them. Bless.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:33 AM) : 

Saggers probably scoff at the photos seen on this blog. Style is personal. Taste is different. Remember grunge came from the streets where essentially all fashion does. How many can really afford the fashion seen here?


Anonymous davidsl said ... (11:33 AM) : 

the best thing about this affectation is that when running from the police, they can't run too quickly owing to the penguin affect of the the low trousers.

i don't know about the ladies, but this gay man finds it offensive and never sexy.


Anonymous Best of Beehive said ... (11:34 AM) : 

It's in such bad taste. To me it's a fashion faux pas that is like wearing socks with sandals or pants that are too short. It's ridiculous, but not a legal issue.


Blogger Unknown said ... (11:35 AM) : 

No we do not. And in prison, sagging pants means "come and get it." These men just have no idea and think it's a trend. The trend expired years ago.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:35 AM) : 



Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:35 AM) : 

Absolutely, NO!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:36 AM) : 

This look originated in the prison system. Men in prison would wear their pants this way to indicate they were open to a homosexual encounter. If only these young boys knew.. .or maybe they do!


Anonymous AppleTree said ... (11:38 AM) : 

I don't mind seeing the waist band of your boxers above your shorts if you have a great body, but please keep your buns under the pants. It's just silly.


Anonymous Hanna said ... (11:40 AM) : 

I just feel really awkward and don't know where to look. Feels like I'm invading his privacy! I would not want unknown people on the street to look at my undies, either. Also, pretty much all of the guys who dress like this have really, really bad underwear :D


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:42 AM) : 

a big N.O. NO.
it is a turn off. really.
there is no need for a debate. it is rude. wear clothes properly.


Blogger Craig said ... (11:46 AM) : 

I don't think it is a masculine thing. I think it is a fashion thing. Not the fashion displayed on this blog, but certainly a very particular style. I find it strange so many respondents fail to understand this.

Displaying underwear for a female has been/ still is considered risqué, and has been fashionable and desirable. If you can get suspended or reprimanded for wearing your pants like this, than that is obviously a plus point.

I'm pretty sure if you think this look is 'disgusting' or 'horrible' or 'cheap' or 'undesirable', then you are not the person who is trying to be impressed.

And you can't seriously be advocating comfort or practicality as a key factor in fashion. I think after taking a look at our own shoes / clothes / accessories, you can not seriously argue that.

Get over it. Live and let live.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:47 AM) : 

The guy I like can wear a tutu for all I care.


Blogger Lizzytish said ... (11:47 AM) : 

Ridiculous! Why even wear pants at all? I would run the other way if that guy asked me out. That all being said, that's not the kind of thing that should be legislated. We should just make them feel embarassed so they'll stop!


Blogger B. said ... (11:47 AM) : 



Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:52 AM) : 

i dont think this website is a very accurate blogspot to get opinions. obviously everyone who reads the sartotialist is not going to agree with ignorant style...but you would be surprised how many people in the U.S. not only accept the look but prefer it!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:52 AM) : 

Sagging is a phenomenon made popular by the glorification of convicts who were made to wear prison uniforms that were too large, so more often than not, you will find it worn by minorities (in the US). Because of this, banning sagging becomes a tricky (racial) issue and I think the powers that be should leave well enough alone. It has been around for about 20 years and it shows no sign of changing. Heck, kids are even sagging skinny jeans, I don't understand yet.

As a matter of exposure in public places, like schools, I agree that underwear should be covered, but I do not agree that it should be illegal for a person to wear clothing a certain way just because some find the 'style' tasteless or uncouth. So if young men and women want to sag, they should be free to do so. BUT if they want to sag in school, their top should be long enough to cover their underwear.


Blogger Ros said ... (11:55 AM) : 

That picture is FUNNY :D.
He looks like a fool, but he should be allowed to. He is indeed covered in fabric of sorts.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:56 AM) : 

It looks really uncomfortable and impractical. It seems to me that the belt must be buckled quite tight at that point below the buttocks, otherwise how else do they keep the pants from falling to the ankles? I assume one must constantly tug at the pants too to keep them from falling. Seems like a lot of effort to get this look.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:56 AM) : 

Well wearing your pants like this is also an act of defiance which if you read through some of the comments here it's obviously working. It's not meant to conform to the tastes of a website like this.

It's to say FU to a place like this, authority or the conservative status quo.

It is also a trend when you see young kids just following along. Perhaps to aggravate their parents who hope it's just a phase they will grow out of.


Anonymous Jessica Alvarez said ... (11:57 AM) : 

the long lasting trend started in the prisons.
Yes! it looks awful.
NO! it shouldnt be illegal. too many things already are.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:59 AM) : 

OK, I'm with the person who wrote in that I didn't like it and what about what it looks like in front? Where is his junk?


Blogger diane said ... (12:00 PM) : 

People should be free to wear what they choose.
I'm not a fan of the "*ss out" look though.


Blogger Liz S said ... (12:01 PM) : 

I'm not sure what the difference here is to the lady earlier on with the white lace dress revealing her underwear--yet most comments seemed to be in awe of it.
Is the difference that she's a female and/or famous? We're really not used to seeing males flaunting themselves much the last few decades conpared to women. Once we decided to have an aversion to speedos (in the more conservative 60/70s) nothing much has become acceptable where the more sexual male body is out there proudly.
To me neither is particularly sexy or attractive--it's appears too aggressive and in your face to be tittilating. But it is certainly major attention grabbing--and maybe this is all they want.
I certainly don't think it should be banned.
I also think in this case it is sending messages to similar minded/dressed people that they are one of them--whatever that is.

My 15 year old does a bit of this and I think he looks cool--but his undies are not so plain and the pants are not so low--this here just looks uncomfortable.


Anonymous Suse said ... (12:01 PM) : 

Didn't it all start when men and boys started wearing oversized pants out of solidarity with jailed family and friends who were given standard issue oversized pants? And then what started among a particular social class spread like wildfire. Is it sexy? No. It's pretty ridiculous but I thought it was actually on the way out, no?


Anonymous Minna said ... (12:03 PM) : 

Hi Scott. Hi everyone. I just want to respectfully articulate my personal insight on this matter. Interesting that this is getting public media attention,as well as legal consideration since sagging pants is basically 20 years old now. It has always been a faux pas, and i think that is the point. kids want to do things that society doesn't agree with. They want to be on the fringe. Particularly so if these young men feel that they have been placed in a category of disenfranchisement by default, because of race and class. Lets be real. These are generally male youth of color that don't exactly come from money. This is one way to throw up the middle finger. Yes it can be seen as a political statement. And to be real about something else. This is akin to the criminalization of the "zuit suit" in the 1940's. Yet another avenue to turn people into criminals. Personally I don't care for the sagging pants look, and I wish there were other ways for these young men to subvert. But I get it. They need to go after the CEO's of AIG. Those people are real criminals. older men in nice suits. And we want our young men to be just like them. Scott, I know that this is not the kind of long winded response that you asked for, but i felt it necessary to say.


Blogger Unknown said ... (12:03 PM) : 

It shouldn't be illegal, and everyone has the right to dress however they like; but personally I find this trend lacking in taste.


Anonymous Laurent said ... (12:03 PM) : 

A Clown. His right to look like a clown. Maybe more people should laugh when he passes by. The comment above regarding the "yard" culture is correct. Unfortunately, most young men don't know what this means. The tighty whiteys are mostly the problem. Remember the thong showing? Women didn't show thier hanes briefs!Underwear is underwear. Maybe a nice patterned pair would work, clowns like polka dots...........


Blogger Sarah said ... (12:03 PM) : 

Could this "fashion" statement just please go away??


Anonymous Daniel said ... (12:05 PM) : 

Anybody who's taken even an elementary statistics class knows that this isn't an objective sample of women you're asking.

I personally don't sag but am surprised by how angry people are getting about this.
It's a style of wearing one's clothes. Are we also going to say that hip hop is not music but classical is? We can each have our preferences but let's please
And how much is actually being shown? Can you see skin? Why is there an uproar about this look and not over Anna Dello Russo's, which is definitely more revealing?
Regarding comments about how hard it would be for people to run whilst sagging, stilettos aren't the most functional either.
IMO comfort and confidence are important aspects to a look, and this man looks both comfortable and confident. Who are we to judge, let alone police this?


Blogger Unknown said ... (12:05 PM) : 

This look goes the same way as the mullet:

business in the front and party in the back.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:08 PM) : 

Why is everybody just commenting on whether it looks good or not and not on the incredible attempt to make this illegal? style for me is about expressing an attitude and isn't it perfectly ok to express that you don't conform to common notions of elegance and chic? style is not just beauty and good looks. it can be dirty, subversive and rock 'n roll. imagine everybody was only wearing suits! hardly an expression of the variety of people and attitudes out there! isn't it the variety of styles and attitudes that makes new york an interesting place and fashion more than accessory of the mainstream? If some people hate some of the styles out there - all the better: it shows that we're not all the same! Who would seriously make an expression of individuality illegal in the land of the free?


Blogger doubledcherry said ... (12:13 PM) : 

Unfortunately, and many will disagree, this is considered fashion. Not fashion in the sense you and I and others perceive as but the fashion this man (pictured) and others adhere too. You ask do women find this attractive? Of course they do! Probably not the women who subscribe to this blog but probably the women in this man's neighborhood or the clubs he frequents. Believe it or not the man pictured here most likely gets his fair share of beautiful women. Now before any of you reply "what kind of women might that be" let me just say this, whether it's PUNK, SKA, REGGAE, SURF, HIP HOP or GRUNGE the men adhere to their own standards of what they perceive as fashion and there are the ladies who do find it attractive. It may not look pretty to us but in the end but this man takes as much time and energy as any of us do when it comes putting an outfit together.


Blogger Heather Feemster said ... (12:14 PM) : 

Can someone please tell him to pull up his f$%^ing pants, this look is utterly ridiculous. Please send the memo to the streets!


Blogger KristiMcMurry said ... (12:18 PM) : 

1. I would never be seen out with a man wearing sagging britches...

2. I would never be seen out with a man wearing a muscle shirt...


Blogger Alex said ... (12:19 PM) : 

I'm so tired of seeing guys' boxers. Some guys sag to their knees. Really, what's the point of buying pants at all then?
You know what's worse? When they keep the price tags on for everyone to see.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:21 PM) : 

After skimming the comments, I notice very little mention about the real origins of this look. ~~When you are put in jail, they take away your belt~~ I am not informed enough to say if this is widely known or popularly thought of as a tribute or street creds, of sorts. It does certainly complicate the discussion of its merits or social significance. I prefer to leave this info as a nonjudgmental item to stir into the mix of debate.


Anonymous martin said ... (12:23 PM) : 

It's not a rational middle class way of presenting oneself, but I can't judge it. He's clearly expressing himself as not rational and middle class. He has that in common with many of the other people you show in this blog, such as women wearing stiletto heels or or otherwise vertigo inducing footwear, or animal hides, or men wearing skirts, etc.


Anonymous edu said ... (12:23 PM) : 

i thinks its hottt ;]


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:24 PM) : 

How is this any different than any style craze that's inspired by music?
Back in the 80's when Madonna was wearing her underwear on the outside and all her fans were doing it too plenty of people thought it was unattractive and inappropriate.
If you watch artists like Lil' Wayne and T-Pain they all wear their jeans hanging down below their butts. It's a legitimate 'style' even if it's not My/Your style.
Hopefully it will eventually go the wayside of all those other ridiculous looking fashion statements that we look back upon and laugh at. ;)


Blogger Allen Crawford said ... (12:24 PM) : 

It shouldn't be outlawed, but it should be mocked openly until these man-toddlers start pulling their widdle pants up like big boys.

But since we live in a society in which grown men who don't dress like six year-olds stand out, it's unlikely this will happen soon.


Blogger Jack Kessler said ... (12:24 PM) : 

Moxie's comment above alludes to the origin of the style. In prison, when a submissive homosexual is looking for a boyfriend, he wears his pants low to emphasize his availability.

Upon release from prison the style continues because the same young men are still looking for the same kind of relationships.

What is humorous is how the prison custom has become a popular sartorial style among millions.

It must be quite confusing to ex-convicts to find that the "chickens" they see are as like as not straight middle class kids who have no idea of prison or the significance of displaying their butts.

Part of the reason that neither women nor straight men think much of the style is that it isn't meant for us.


Blogger Unknown said ... (12:25 PM) : 

I don't like it. I think it's vulgar. However, girls can show cleavage, bra straps, etc.

I don't think it's the government's place to dictate how we wear our clothes.

Anyhoo, before all of this who-ha over the low-slung pants, I thought this trend was very 90s, wasn't it?


Blogger Stephon said ... (12:25 PM) : 

I have been one of them wearing bi baggy jeans, very not like in the pictures but still had the lil' piece in the bottom saggin lol but i think that rule it is maybe too seriou and not that important in fact. I fact it's not really the right subject, or else we could forbid laces that shows skin and transparence clothes... I think it's a trend (ghetto one) and it has to be anaysed by fashion people and not by political !! (Sorry for my english i'm french...)


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:26 PM) : 

As a women, I would never date anyone who dressed like this. I also do not want to have to sit/stand close to strangers dressed like this - public transportation, elevators etc. It's just disgusting. I think it should be illegal.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:27 PM) : 

this is pure horror. no, thanks.


Blogger rednails said ... (12:28 PM) : 

No, please, fashion police should take measures.


Blogger Marie said ... (12:28 PM) : 

I don't think that the women who do want to see guys wearing pants like this are reading this blog...asking these readers doesn't count.

This is ghetto fashion. Perhaps you can start an alternate blog?

Personally I'm fascinated by how they stay up.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:29 PM) : 

I think this guy looks just as ridiculous as "belted shorts" two posts before this one.


Blogger Marie said ... (12:30 PM) : 

Jajajaja! I hadn't read the comment about the Norwegian students! That's just sad. Poor Norwegians need an edge to life.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:31 PM) : 

i feel that there are a lot of prejudices against this type of style...but honestly, its not hurting anyone. how can we draw an arbitrary line to say what is stylish and what isn't? what is acceptable and what is not? it may seem ridiculous to you but let people dress the way they want.
I personally would not wear this look, but sometimes it looks good, sometimes it looks bad, however thats in my own eyes. I don't think its a crime at all though, at least not in public. We should not be policing personal style in courts.
Is it disrespectful for women to wear low cut shirts etc. Im ranting now, but just my thoughts.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:31 PM) : 

It's totally fascinating to me, as a woman. No, I don't why my man to dress like this, but I can't stop marveling at it.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:32 PM) : 



Blogger Gary said ... (12:36 PM) : 

My god nooooooooooo !

It looks so uncomfortable ! I realy don't undertand how this trend lasted so long and still lasts now. It used to be the guys coming back from jail with no belt who wore pants like that.


Anonymous LadyLixa said ... (12:37 PM) : 

when i was from the age of 15 to 19 i liked it, just because the only alternative was preppy rugby boys wearing salmon pink rugby shirts and dock shoes, and yeh, that didn't push my button. However seeing a man over the age of 21 with his arse hanging out like that is wrong on so many levels. It's sad when a man begins to go grey and balding but he still can't pull up his trousers properly. Phah, and they wonder when its only 17year old girls that fancy them!x


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:37 PM) : 

Just take the cues from Pharell, from Jay Z, from Diddy, from Will I am, from Akon, and from all the other phenomenon in the hip-hop industry who are also in the fashion scene/industry, and you'll truly see the movers, the shakers, and the shapers of the street fashion, the urban scene, and the every day hip-hop look! Nothing says sexy than a man who wears his clothes with style and panache. All of these heavy hitters I mentioned are style icons. Good fashion sense always prevails!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:38 PM) : 

I would not like to have such guy :-)


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:39 PM) : 

Who cares if its macho or not, the government definitely shouldn't be telling us what to wear!

Clothes are a form of expression.

all i have to say is thom browne s/s 2009 had some looks inspired by the "saggy butt"

does it matter if women want to be seen with a man like that? If a man is confident in his clothes, and is confident about who they are, isn't that enough?



Blogger Sara said ... (12:42 PM) : 

I detest saggy pants, especially ones that are so tight it looks as though the guy couldn't pull his pants all the way up even if he wanted to. Nothing is cool or fashionable about letting your ass hang out, and that applies to men and women alike!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:42 PM) : 

Anyone wants to see that, this image is not a "macho image", is a dirty image, cheap, It is the "anti-sexy image"


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:49 PM) : 

Unfortunately, these young people -- the more we complain and draw attention to it... the more they "dress down".


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:50 PM) : 

I certainly don't think it looks great, but the issue of wearing baggy pants is a cultural one.

It simply does not appeal to wealthy white people (unless that wealthy white person happens to be a teenage boy trying to not look wealthy and white)--but is a major aspect of what is considered fashionable or attractive in black culture. Similar to the one-top-button look in the Latino community.

Different communities decide what the ideal is. And I dare say that many of this blog's readers probably fall into the wealthy white category, so it makes sense that people wouldn't like it. But for another whole group of people, it is not only tolerated but desired.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:50 PM) : 

In a way, it's a great time saver to instantly gauge someone's intelligence.

This fad (I hesitate to call it a fad because it seems like it's been around forever) is some glorification of prisoner chic isn't it? Because they don't give you a belt in prison so your pants sag? maybe I'm wrong.

Prison = cool.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:52 PM) : 

Of course not. And it is also very unflattering for men, besides being extremely rude. This not a question of fashion, this is a question of absence of politness.


Blogger Erica said ... (12:52 PM) : 

Nooo no no. I can't help but judge anyone who sports this 'look' ... it's like people who have horrible grammar or take up too much space on the subway. No regard for how people perceive you.


Blogger patticakes said ... (12:55 PM) : 

The thing I find most interesting about the "sag" fad is its origin. I was told that sagging originated from men in jail who wanted to show that they were "available". I don't know if I buy this explanation.

It seems more likely that men were sagging in jail because they were given clothes that didn't fit and weren't provided belts for fear of inmates using them as weapons.

Eventually, sagging made its way out of jail and onto the streets. The real question is why much of the youth culture is so fascinated by a fad that originated in jail.

The only time/place I've seen women get into the sagging fad was in 2009 in Spain. It was really interesting. Teenage women would wear cutesy little panties then sag their jeans--it was hilarious and I loved it.


Blogger Taylor said ... (12:57 PM) : 

I don't think I would ever tolerate a boyfriend who dressed like this. I don't know what it is trying to convey...trashy or lazy? I do not understand where this trend came from..


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:57 PM) : 

The irony is that this style originated in prisons and now people are wanting to make it illegal. i think its a symbol of defiance as is so much of our efforts at style and fashion, therefore, i don't think the question is whether we 'like it or not,' but do we support the act of resistance it represents. I also find it to be a socioeconomic expression instigated by people of color. now that kids in the suburb are comin home with their jeans around their thighs, folks are screaming ' illegal!!!'


Blogger Peter said ... (12:58 PM) : 

I don't understand why they wear them so low...certainly in this picture it should be a crime, because those boxers don't even look clean. But I think that if you need to add colour to your outfit then showing the waistband and a bit of your boxers can help integrate your outfit.


Anonymous E said ... (12:59 PM) : 


How can guys think this is macho? I think it looks more gay... And if it´s true that the trend comes from the "yard" well...


Blogger Sophie said ... (1:00 PM) : 

It's interesting that this style (if one can call it that) would be highlighted as particularly "masculine" (in the sense that I gather the men who wear it see it) as it was a trend that started in male prisons to let other inmates know that you were "available." ;-)


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:01 PM) : 

for me this style is one of two possibilities: it´s some kind of gay sexual display or maybe a regression to their toddler years: why don´t they just wear a diaper?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:04 PM) : 

sure, it can look bad BUT as soon as you start prescribing what people should or should not wear you're on a slippery slope and just getting steamed up about hot air. As a young person - and even though I wouldn't wear this personally - I find this debate irritatingly narrow minded and prescriptive...and why is every one so obsessed with why guys are wearing this to attract women or not? It's just a question of personal style.


Anonymous Sophie said ... (1:07 PM) : 

I wouldn't be seen with him looking like that... but I also wouldn't be seen *wearing* some of the things I see other women wearing. I don't think all women are inherently stylish, so he might be with a woman who is similarly styled. It's a culture and a style. Not mine, but not ours to judge really with no ultimate standard.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:08 PM) : 

Il n'a pas de savoir faire!


Blogger Sara Hoo said ... (1:09 PM) : 

It's ridiculous that it's become a legal issue. There's no difference between underwear and an article of clothing that covers the same area, when it comes down to it, and trying to discern where to draw the line would become impossible.

Who cares how tacky someone else looks anyway? Isn't hurting me.

However, that said, of course it's tacky, but different women, different class distinctions, different tastes.

Also, my fiance is actually encouraged to sag (not to that extent, but the paints are supposed to be seated mid-ahem, bottom) at work. He's a manager at a popular retail establishment for high school/college students. His work dress code is ridiculous/awful, but thankfully he's got a grown up job to start this winter :].


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:09 PM) : 

This has nothing to do with style. This is what the hood is about. You have young people who emulate it at an alarming rate, but I guarantee no one in East New york, L.E.S. and other notorious spots even cares about how it's perceived. This is their way of being, It's not right, tasteful or any of that, but most urban style comesfrom jails as said in the article. I'm not talking all urban folk do this, but for the hustlers and dealers on the block, this is heir uniform. Doo rags were jail originated, no laces in the sneaks was a jail thing and this also falls into that category. It just is what it is. It ain't going nowhere. Not defending it as I wear my joints correctly, just shedding some light.


Blogger Shey said ... (1:11 PM) : 

ugh! never! I'd be so embarrassed to be seen with a guy like that.


Blogger Reagan said ... (1:11 PM) : 

Are you kidding me? I'm blushing jut looking at the picture. It's so bad!

What's worse, this guys underwear showing, or a woman's thong straps sticking out the top of her pants?


Blogger Seeds in the City. said ... (1:11 PM) : 

This is what confuses me. This look started in the prison system. The "bitches" wore their pants this way to allow easier access for them to be sodomized.

I see boys and guys walking around like this, and I wonder if they are begging for someone to top them or if they are just clueless.

Then again, maybe like the pink triangle, it's a reclaiming thing?

Whatever the reason, I find the look sloppy and unflattering to any body type.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:13 PM) : 

it might work if you're trying to hustle other guys in prison. other than that, it's pretty pathetic.


Blogger Shey said ... (1:13 PM) : 

I find this look horrible, however people should have a right to wear what they choose...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:15 PM) : 

In Chicago I see this look frequently. I agree it looks awful, but what really gets me is the lack of function. These guys waddle around, then pull the pants up from the waist so they can climb stairs! Seeing guys run for the train in sagging pants is priceless, though, so funny!


Blogger S. said ... (1:17 PM) : 

Hell NO!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:21 PM) : 

I think they should wear diapers as well. Style and comfort all in one.


Blogger Tango K said ... (1:21 PM) : 

I asked some guys here on campus, "What is the deal? What is holding up your pants? (your huge 'thing'?) It cannot be comfortable to walk around like that. I just want to 'pants' them! But I resist.


Anonymous lance said ... (1:22 PM) : 

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone would agree with this motley display of machismo and perhaps i'm regressing further but the people that would find this attractive wouldn't be on satorialist, anyways. Just a thought..


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:24 PM) : 

apart from his ugly grey under pants, isn´t it far more important how he looks like above his belt line and wether he is a charming or a insecure macho guy? Even the most hideous outfit can´t tell that much about a person!

And thank you very much, Scott for not just showing the great dressed ones.


Blogger dodgygirl said ... (1:24 PM) : 

my answer will be a big huge NO!!!! this is rather unacceptable.... hahahha...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:27 PM) : 

It's a cultural thing...some people think this is badass.
(No pun intended)


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:30 PM) : 

There is no debate - wearing pants this way looks terrible and is not acceptable.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:31 PM) : 

This saggy style has been "fashionable" in my area for the last 15 years. I thought it was stupid then, and my opinion hasn't changed since then. Come on, guys, move forward!!


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:33 PM) : 

i started high school when this was "the bomb" in the mid-90's, and every guy i knew was doing this. but being the total clueless freak i was in high school i will quote the movie...

I don’t want to be a traitor to my generation but i dont get how guys dress today i mean it looks like they just rolled out of bed put on a pair of baggy pants, and take their greasy hair ew cover it up with a backwards cap and like we are expected to swoon…. i dont think so

and i live by those words husband definitely wears his pants where they are suppose to be.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:33 PM) : 

One word. Eww.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:34 PM) : 

No! Ridiculous. They are always grabbing their crotch area to hold them up. I'd like to 'pants' them as well.


Blogger RF_Arch said ... (1:35 PM) : 

There is nothing sexier than the way a man's backside looks in a pair of jeans that fits well and sits well on his hips. This young man is not sexy to me at all.

I doubt that he is trying to be sexy. I think he is trying to be rebellious and as long as we complain about this style of dress, we will continue to see it. I also feel it is becoming dated (been there, seen that!).

I also wonder what physical ailments these young men will acquire in their middle age from having to walk this way and hold up their pants all the time.


Blogger Unknown said ... (1:38 PM) : 

I don't actually mind this as much as most girls should. I mean, it's how they want to dress, correct? If saggy pants are illegal, than shouldn't a larger person wearing too-short shorts be illegal too? eyesores cannot be avoided, I'm afraid.

(personally, I'd prefer to see sagged pants on a man than skinny jeans. I deeply despise seeing a man in skinny jeans.)


Blogger Ninjagaiden78 said ... (1:39 PM) : 

I never understood this myself. No man who sees himself as a man would want his underwear to be exposed.


Anonymous GIULIA said ... (1:41 PM) : 

no way, that's a terrible look,and that's all.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:42 PM) :

why is that fashionable, when sagging is low fashion? at some level what is in style is completely arbitrary. the only reason sagging is suppressed is because it is a style propagated by the poorest and most repressed people in the nation, mostly minorities and the urban poor. if sagging had originated on the runway at milan fashion week i'm sure we'd see a lot of pictures of "beautiful people" with sagging pants on this website.


Blogger Kiki Mayes said ... (1:42 PM) : 

I think that every person has the right to express him or herself. If they like baggy pants, even though unflattering, they should be able to wear them. Where's our freedom of choice at in this debate?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:43 PM) : 

I have always been completely confused as to why a guy wear pants falling off. I am totally guilty of giving dirty looks to men who look like this. It's sloppy and makes them look stupid.


Blogger choppie said ... (1:46 PM) : 

No, No and NO! I even think it's offensive to our eyes and mental health. Who and where did this "style" (what should I call it?)start? Anybody knows?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:47 PM) : 

Am I missing something, how can this possibly be 'macho'?

Is it in some quaint way to do with buggery in gaol?

Oh and it's a no from me.



Anonymous Ana said ... (1:51 PM) : 

It's horrible!!! Greetings from Spain


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